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[OTHER]Star Wars Rants.

Posted by GM PrincessFor group 0
PC rankaratar
player, 62 posts
Utinni!
Fri 31 Oct 2008
at 01:20
  • msg #48

Re: Star Wars Rants

Wow, haha, fat jedi
PC RedFoxMagi
player, 4 posts
Fri 31 Oct 2008
at 01:40
  • msg #49

Re: Star Wars Rants

I see fat Jedi all the time.  They're just cosplayers.  >_>;;
PC moonstonespider
player, 30 posts
Fri 31 Oct 2008
at 02:00
  • msg #50

Re: Star Wars Rants

PC BadCatMan:
I know you read TVTropes with the reference to the Proud Warrior Race Guy :) so you'll know it's a Planet Of The Hats type situation.

This sort of thing comes from trying to extrapolate an entire culture based on one or two insignificant facts gleaned from a minor role in the source material. With one or two supporting characters to go by, writers assume that they are typical for their species, and use them as a model for the rest, whilst being unwilling to go against what they perceive as the official canon version. They're afraid to invent anything new, particularly when it comes to somebody else's creation (ie George Lucas's).

Jabba is a gangster, so all Hutts become gangsters. Bothan spies stole the Death Star plans, so all Bothans become spies. Bib Fortuna was a gangster's henchmen, so all male Twi'leks become gangster types, whilst that Twi'lek dancer of Jabba's became the model for all the female Twi'leks. And so on, and on, and on.

Yes, I know it's a planet of hats situation.  But Star Wars seems to push the Planet of Hats trope far more than other sci-fi universes, to the point of a 'genetic predisposition' to become slave dancers.  Which is enough to get me ranting, why was that even needed or beneficial? Somebody in a multi-billion dollar empire really thought adding a slave dancer gene was a good idea and an executive okayed it?
Heck, even the races created for the EU seem to have remarkable genetic predispositions, are there any non-assassin Noghri?
PC damiensolta
player, 7 posts
Fri 31 Oct 2008
at 02:10
  • msg #51

Re: Star Wars Rants

PC moonstonespider:
Yes, I know it's a planet of hats situation.  But Star Wars seems to push the Planet of Hats trope far more than other sci-fi universes, to the point of a 'genetic predisposition' to become slave dancers.  Which is enough to get me ranting, why was that even needed or beneficial? Somebody in a multi-billion dollar empire really thought adding a slave dancer gene was a good idea and an executive okayed it?
Heck, even the races created for the EU seem to have remarkable genetic predispositions, are there any non-assassin Noghri?


Simple question... is this a problem? Because it's starwars. And I think it's really cool (although somewhat silly, but I like silly sometimes).
This message was last edited by the player at 02:24, Fri 31 Oct 2008.
PC rankaratar
player, 63 posts
Utinni!
Fri 31 Oct 2008
at 02:19
  • msg #52

Re: Star Wars Rants

It's a Universe of Hats
GM Palpatine
GM, 149 posts
Never listens to the
Order 66 Podcast
Fri 31 Oct 2008
at 02:25
  • msg #53

Re: Star Wars Rants

PC moonstonespider:
I was just leafing through a Clone Wars comic and came across a section where Ayla Secura mentions that Twi'Lek females have a genetic disposition to become slave dancers. . . unbelievable.

I don't know, personally I thought that to mean that twi'lek females are, well...  hot.  They're also from a society with traditions for slavery, so it makes sense that people from across the galaxy would choose twi'leks for their dancing girls (because, as has been mentioned, twi'leks are hot! :p), and also that they would be available (because there are a lot of twi'lek slaves to choose from).  Of course, there are several examples of twi'lek females to avoid this 'seemingly inevitable' fate - Aayla Secura wasn't the only one to show up in the Republic-series of comics as a Jedi, so there's that, at least.  Then there's Mission Vao of Knights of the Old Republic, who certainly 'broke out' of the stereotype, as well.

Checking Wookieepedia lets me see that I'm at least not the only one with this view on it:

The Wookiee:
Female Twi'leks have been considered especially attractive and slender, which made them favorite subjects for slavery and entertainment. The beauty of female Twi'leks was well known throughout the galaxy, and as a result many nubile ones were sold into slavery, becoming dancers or status symbols, most notably by Jabba Desilijic Tiure, while the usual ugliness of the males was also well known.


Anyway, good night, everyone - and may the Force be with you.  :-)
PC Vibetrippin
player, 16 posts
Fri 31 Oct 2008
at 02:26
  • msg #54

Re: Star Wars Rants

I thought that there was actually a fair level of irony and sarcasm when Aayla was saying that.
GM Sunset Miko
GM, 67 posts
Sat 1 Nov 2008
at 01:41
  • msg #55

Re: Star Wars Rants

You think that's bad? Zeltrons are an entire race of prostitutes, except for the one mechanic who's a main character!

Why? Because they're naturally and permanantly empathic, so what better way to make sure you're life isn't hell than to make everyone else happy?

Who's brilliant idea was that?

Besides, you can throw things like that around as much as you like, since you're all guilty of it.

After all, everyone knows that all Gungans are like Jar Jar Binks...
PC rankaratar
player, 64 posts
Utinni!
Sat 1 Nov 2008
at 05:15
  • msg #56

Re: Star Wars Rants

Not actually they're not. They may talk like him, but they did banish him on pain of death for being a total spaz. Or clumsy, I really can't remember.

Either way, most Gungans beside Jar Jar are fair enough.
PC moonstonespider
player, 31 posts
Sat 1 Nov 2008
at 18:28
  • msg #57

Re: Star Wars Rants

GM Sunset Miko:
You think that's bad? Zeltrons are an entire race of prostitutes, except for the one mechanic who's a main character!

Why? Because they're naturally and permanantly empathic, so what better way to make sure you're life isn't hell than to make everyone else happy?

Who's brilliant idea was that?

Besides, you can throw things like that around as much as you like, since you're all guilty of it.

After all, everyone knows that all Gungans are like Jar Jar Binks...

Okay, you win.  That is way more stupid than a genetic disposition to slave dancer.
PC Grimjack
player, 13 posts
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 18:50
  • msg #58

Re: Star Wars Rants

So on another note.

In the Clone wars (the cartoon not the CG one) Obi, Anakin, and a few other Jedi are seen wearing Jedi armor.

Do you think that they Jedi where all proficient in the armor and then if not what would be the benefit of wearing it when they where already higher lvl then the armor bonus.
PC praguepride
player, 99 posts
Asker of Questions
Finder of Answers
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 18:54
  • msg #59

Re: Star Wars Rants

Because in the "real" world, wearing armor is a good thing :D
GM damiensolta
GM, 13 posts
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 19:00
  • msg #60

Re: Star Wars Rants

Maybe it's not armor per say, instead it's just equipment that they were that has no mechanical benefit ('cept as a space suit), instead it facilitates the use of gear.
PC praguepride
player, 100 posts
Asker of Questions
Finder of Answers
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 19:17
  • msg #61

Re: Star Wars Rants

Or it could be that they weren't designing the game around the odd Star Wars armor system.

Instead they thought "well, jedi wear robes in "normal" dress, so they must wear armor when they go to war!"

Plus, rule of cool and you have jedi armor.
PC rallenc82
player, 62 posts
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 19:40
  • msg #62

Re: Star Wars Rants

Jedi Knights have access to the armor talent tree from the Soldier class.
PC RedFoxMagi
player, 24 posts
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 20:55
  • msg #63

Re: Star Wars Rants

That may be, but it would be stupid to waste the talent on it at that level.
PC praguepride
player, 101 posts
Asker of Questions
Finder of Answers
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 21:03
  • msg #64

Re: Star Wars Rants

Didn't you get the memo, it's part of the Clone War Jedi prestige class. It'll come out with the Clone Wars CG.
PC rallenc82
player, 63 posts
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 21:05
  • msg #65

Re: Star Wars Rants

I would think definitions on what constitutes a waste of a talent would be dependant upon the person taking it or the person writing said character for the tv show.

Not everything you do for your character has to be done to maximize your character potential or minimize their flaws. Some things are done for... gasp... flavor.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:06, Thu 20 Nov 2008.
PC praguepride
player, 102 posts
Asker of Questions
Finder of Answers
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 21:07
  • msg #66

Re: Star Wars Rants

They're wearing the armor for the Fort bonus :D
PC RedFoxMagi
player, 25 posts
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 21:14
  • msg #67

Re: Star Wars Rants

PC rallenc82:
I would think definitions on what constitutes a waste of a talent would be dependant upon the person taking it or the person writing said character for the tv show.

Not everything you do for your character has to be done to maximize your character potential or minimize their flaws. Some things are done for... gasp... flavor.



Oh, don't give me the flavor argument.  I know that people take things for flavor and not to constitute making your character into a combat God.  There's no need to be derrogatory.  I take things for flavor as well for my characters.  It just seems to have very little to do with the character at that point in time.
PC rallenc82
player, 64 posts
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 21:34
  • msg #68

Re: Star Wars Rants

Why doesn't it have anything to do with their characters? They're fighting a war where they are leading millions of clones. Why shouldn't they try to bridge the gap a little between Jedi and Clone?
PC RedFoxMagi
player, 26 posts
Thu 20 Nov 2008
at 22:39
  • msg #69

Re: Star Wars Rants

I meant for the player wanting to add flavor to the character.
PC rankaratar
player, 72 posts
Utinni!
Fri 21 Nov 2008
at 00:55
  • msg #70

Re: Star Wars Rants

Hmm...
On this note it seems the cartoon jedi are a little smarter than the RL ones. if they had been wearing armour they might've survived order 66.

That and if they hadn't forgot how to deflect blaster fire.
GM Sunset Miko
GM, 85 posts
So sue me, I LIKE
gungans!
Fri 21 Nov 2008
at 00:59
  • msg #71

Re: Star Wars Rants

I've done it.

I played A Jensaarai character (Jensaarai's signature item is their cortosis weave armour), but couldn't afford to dip into Soldier for armour talents because of getting into Force Adept. Because I'm not a Jedi, I can't take Jedi Knight and get the armour talents that way.

So there, that's one example of why you might wear armour for flavour.
PC moonstonespider
player, 35 posts
Tue 25 Nov 2008
at 22:23
  • msg #72

Re: Star Wars Rants

Naw, having the armor tree at high levels is just good sense and a basic defense.  You capture a high level enemy, the first thing you want to do is slap some armor on them and drain away their level bonus to reflex defense.

But if your enemy turns out to have the armor tree, then counter-intuitively they actually get better protection from armor and you can't make them weaker by putting armor on them.
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