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This message was last edited by the GM at 18:54, Thu 21 Aug 2008.

I'll go ahead and snag the first post by a player. Yay me...

It's good to see something like this around. I'm also a member on the SWd20 community and am glad to see this set up for the Saga Edition.

I'm a huge star wars fan and have been for a long time. I've got a large collection of books (as shown in one of the other threads) and love reading the novels in the Expanded Universe. I've been playing SW since the first release of the d20 game shortly after the release of Episode I: The Phantom Menace. I absolutely love Saga Edition and what they've done with the game mechanics.

Thank you, that is nice to hear.  I did check out the SWd20 community myself, but since I don't have any interest in the RCR rules, and feel that running games using two different systems in one community would be a mess, I figured it would be just as good to start a new one here.  There is no reason why RPoL cannot support both communities, of course - there's even one for the d6 rules by WEG around, after all.  I'm going to PM the GMs over there, see if we can't get something worked out - having one community for Saga and another for RCR would be great as long as there are still players wanting to play both games.

I'm not much of a Star Wars fan, I'm afraid, but it is something that I enjoy.

It was GM Palpatine who got me into Saga, and back into Star Wars, by the way he keeps banging on about it. :p

Hi all!

Another Player here. I like Starwars, but my knowledge isn't the greatest. I'm learning all the time.

GM Palpatine is who has gotten me into this, too.  Though I do watch Star Wars for my young son who loves the movies.  Mostly I'm a DnD kinda girl, but I'm learning more about SW all the time.

Anyway...

Welcome everybody.  :)

I'm the kind of person who enjoyed star wars, but never got obsessed, then got spammed by Palpatine until I gave in and said 'okay, okay, I'll read the comics'. hehe. Now look where I ended up. >>

...clearly, my mastery of Dun Möch is paying off here!  :p

Spotted the blurb about SWSEC in the Players Wanted section and figured I'd hang out.  As a brief introduction, I've been playing RPG (paper-n-pencil and computer) for around 20 years now...systems have varied considerably (Shadowrun, Exalted, oWoD, DnD (various editions), L5R and so on) and most of the time I end up GMing for my local group.

I'm no Star Wars Fanatic, but I do think it is a very cool setting and story.  I've dabbled with each of the various published SW RPG game systems and have played several of the computer games.  I recently picked up SAGA edition and have been quite impressed so far...to the point of starting to badger my face-to-face group to let me 'resurrect' the SW campaign I ran for them a while back converted over to SAGA.

I'm sensing a pattern here.  :p

Regarding the couple of games that the GMs are starting...is the general preference at this point that players pick one game and play in it or can you play in more than one?  The Mandalorian gamble sounds like an interesting idea but I would not mind a chance to play DoD before running for my local crew.

Since the ratio of players-to-games is bound to be high, I'd like to limit people to playing one character each for now.


As for the Mandalorian Gamble, I'll keep submissions open until Saturday, at which point it will begin play.  Assuming PCs keep showing up the way they have so far, I'll begin advertising for a second game on Sunday, so the people who don't get in this time around will get a second chance, and because I'm really excited about running games here.  :-)

For now we would appreciate you only playing in one game.  As time goes on and we get more GMs and can expand, then we will increase the limit to playing in two games.

Hello! :)

Don't take on too much, silly Palpatine.  Besides, you can't teach me how to GM in SW if you don't keep a bit of time open for me.  :p

Hello, all.  I've been a fan of Star Wars roleplaying since back in the West End day, and I very much like Saga edition.  I prefer my games set in the Rebellion era or Tales of the Jedi/Kotor era.  I'm currently planning a campaign that will be based in the KOTOR era, 200 years after the events of KOTOR 2, tentatively entitled "The Ascent of Mandalore."

I'm also considering running a Rebellion era game, as well. I usually like to run in an Infinities style, eliminating the stars of the movies and having PCs fill their roles.

Hey!  Just joined the community.  I've never been particularly fond of SE, but I think that's mainly because I tried making characters left and right before actually playing in a game.  The way the Force powers worked threw me off, and I just abandoned it.  Kinda sad, really.  So, because I really don't want to lose a perfectly good game just based on shock, here I am!

Good morning, campers!  Or evening.  Whichever it is, I'm a die-hard SW fan, I've seen every movie except the new Clone Wars (still debating whether or not I want to see it), and have read all but a few books in the EU.  That's not to say I remember all of it, but I can at least give you a general timeline of the EU if asked.

I'm in five different PbP Star Wars games, mainly because there aren't any good groups up here in AK.

Hello, I like SW a bit so I thought I'd have a go.

If you're a die hard fan, you'll like the new clone wars movie. Trust me. Fun to be had by all. From one fanboy to another.

Hi there guys, as you see I have a GM tag so I will be one of the people doing the evil deed of throwing adversaries in your way, if you join a Game I rule.

Just wanted to inform you and introduce myself.

On the 'topic' of the Clone Wars Movie:
I'll go for it this Saturday and hope it will be what I think it is.

By the way: Mandalorians are true

Mandalorians are true what? *blink*

Just true.

It's Metal Slang.

I could also say, the best or something like that.

So, I've gone through all the posts on here, and haven't seen an explanation of how XP works in this group.  Either of the GM's care for a bit of enlightenment?

XP works just as normal. At the moment, we're only allowing one character each, but that may be expanded later as the community grows.

Characters earn XP within their games through GM awards, for combat or whatever, as usual.

Players can also earn XP for stuff like birthdays, or - depending on how things work out - for doing certain things to help the GMs run the community. This XP joins a floating pool that can be spent on any of the player's characters, but requires the player to run their use of the XP past the GM of the character they wish to apply it to.

Ah, okay.  Thanks for the explanation.  Greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Miko.

Palpatine is at a gaming session for the next several hours or so, but when he is done he should be able to elaborate if that is necessary.  I would try, but I'm absolutely miserable with something that I can't even seem to sleep away.  I'm going to try bed again, though, in a few minutes.

Howdy ya'll.  New PC wandering in.

I have a question about the Dawn of Defiance module for somebody who's read it.  Is it meant to guide the players into joining the Empire?  I'm in a game and I've carefully avoided spoiling myself for the future but I'm starting to wonder, every rebel we've met has been such a jerk that our PCs are seriously discussing joining the Empire against them at this point, in particular Bail Organa managed to really tick us off when:

A) He didn't pay us anything for saving two of his agents aside from providing medical for the wounds we incurred. . . which happened only because we were saving his agents.  Mind you the money isn't a big deal, it's not like we needed much but it felt like a lack of respect.

B) When we asked if he could use his political power to smooth the way to getting some military grade hardware for one of his missions he told us military hardware was illegal for civilians and we should be ashamed of ourselves for wanting it.  At which point (Given that he was basically asking us to commit treason) the PCs collectively had to gather our jaws off the floor at such unfathomable self-righteousness and hypocrisy.

So anyway, is the module written to encourage PCs to join Palpatine or is it just our GM's style?

I haven't read more than about half the first module, but I would say its probably your GM's style. Bail was working for the resistance from the beginning, considering he snuck Yoda and Kenobi back onto Coruscant so that they could go to the Jedi Temple. Then he helped Yoda escape from the Senate building after he tried to assassinate Palpatine.

Sounds like your GM's problem.

If you want to join my DoD game, then you won't find that so much of an issue - then again, I'm cutting in halfway through the first module 'cause of the higher starting level on SWSEC, making the players established agents for Organa already.

Come on, you think Bail would have raised a daughter like Leia if he'd been that much of a apple pie?

Oh I don't mean I think Bail is trying to help the empire, I just wondered if everybody was deliberately being written as such a moron.  It's we, the players, that are contemplating joining the Empire because Bail ticked us off so badly.  Being scolded as bad, bad people for wanting a heavy repeating blaster and receiving a patronising lecture on why he can't help because it would put him at risk if the transaction was traced when one character died, one lost an arm, and my character lost a lung saving his agent's life was. . . jarring.

I'll check out your game.  Halfway through module 1 is probably where my knowledge leads off, as our group just concluded three weeks (real time) negotiations with an important tribal character that will not be spoiled, only to discover that the important character didn't actually want our help and we were being fed misinformation by the translator apparently in hopes of getting us to help for free, which precipitated a desire on the parts of some players for a tribal massacre.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:42, Thu 28 Aug 2008.

He seems to like cinnamon buns:

I love anything cinnamon, except for the looks of her hair - yuck! - but don't show me that now!  I'm sicker than I've ever been in memory with some kind of stomach flu.  So much so that I'm actually vomiting blood.  Ewwwwwwwwww!  :(

She looks ugly in that picture.

Yes she does. :p

I gots ta go.  I shall find a suitable game later.

Mmmmm....cinnamon buns!

I like them with jam, not leia.

Just thought I would say hi.

Hi all.

Radar about to be jammed...

Raspberry!  Only one man would dare give me the raspberry!  LONESTAR!!!

Of course!  I always have coffee when I watch radar.  Everyone knows that!

*slumps on couch*

None of the games I'm in are posting right now.  Blargh!

I know exactly what you mean... ><

Utinni!

Of course we do, Sir!!!

*collapses into giggles*

"Mwoichendising, mwoichendising...  Spaceballs the Flamethrower!  The kids really love this one."   *giggles more*

Question what happened to the Madalorians after KoTOR did the die out or were Jango And Boba Fett a member of their race? Also feedback on a Wookiee Soldier?

The Mandalorians, even in KotoR, weren't a species. They're more like a social club.

All you need to be a Mandalorian is to accept Mandalore as your leader and accept the Mandalorian way of life - War.

So, up until he became Mandalore, Boba Fett wasn't a Mandalorian. He just had access to a lot of their old supply dumps.

Kind of like the Hobgoblin in Spider-man. He wasn't actually anything to do with the Green Goblin at first, he just nicked his stuff.

Ok Thanks for the lesson :P

Speaking of Mandalorians...how do you get into that game? And what level are the PC's?

Send a PM to Palpatine, and all PCs start at SWSEC standard - read the character creation thread for details.

Mandalorians, or as the people refer to themselves, Mando'a, are a culture unto themselves, discriminating against neither race or sex, as long as you follow the basic code of the Mando.  You must speak the language, care and provide for your family, and show up whenever the leader of the culture, Mandalore himself, calls.

Mandalorians are compulsive adopters, and as such, their population is constantly in flux.  Originally, there were not even human, though the original species of Mando isn't quite certain.  Their armor has changed through the millenia, but for the most part, the T-shaped visor has been their defining aspect for nearly as long as they have been known to the Republic.

During the time of KotR, the Mandalorians had just been beaten back by the Jedi Revan and his followers, after waging a war against the Republic the likes of which they had never seen.  The Mando'a were daring, decisive, and showed no mercy for those who would not fight.  In the Mando culture, refusal to fight is the ultimate weakness, surpassed only by those who abandon their families or the culture in times of need.

By the Rise of the Empire, the Mando'a were scattered too and fro, and most assumed they were extinct or nearly there, much like the Ryn.  Boba Fett was the most famous, but there were others of note, including Jaster Mereel and Jodo Kast.

In the New Republic, the Mandalorians, for the most part, were still sprinkled across the galaxy, fighting for credits, fighting for survival, and fighting for themselves.  However, at the invasion of the Yuzzhan Vong, the man who bore the mantle of Mandalore, Fenn Shysa, called upon the people to return to the planet who bore the name of their people, and gather in force to help the New Republic drive the alien invaders back to where they came.  Fenn Shysa was later killed, and he passed the title on to Boba Fett, who is probably the most controversial Mandalore in his people's history.

When Jacen Solo started his bid to rule the Galaxy as another Emperor, Boba Fett made another call to the Mando'a, and they once again gathered on a planet that had been ravaged by the Vong.  Unfortunately for the rest of the galaxy, the destruction rained upon their planet has revealed a new, massive vein of the Mandalorian steel, known as beskar.  And MandalMotors, the primary manufacturing company on Mandalore, has started manufacturing fighters, both for home use and abroad.  These new fighters are called Bes'uliik, in the tradition of the old Basilisk War Droids, and they are every bit as lethal as the originals.

And this concludes Mando'a 101.  Hope it helped.

Just a reminder for all interested parties that applications for the Mandalorian Gamble are still open, and will be until 21:00, GMT +1 (6 hours, 30 minutes from now, just about).  Anyone interested in sending in an application, please include a basic character concept (including species, class(es), particular talents/feats important for your build, as well as what direction you want to take the character in), as well as a brief (no more than three paragraphs, please!) background.


And, as a 'teaser', here is the opening post of the campaign:

I'd like to thank everyone who applied for the Mandalorian Gamble for their interest.  I have now selected a group of players who have all received PMs letting them know how to proceed, and for the others, I'd like to apologize - the worst thing about being a GM online, at least in my opinion, is when you have to turn down perfectly good characters.  In this case, several.  I can reveal, however, that there is a Rebellion-era game upcoming, as well as another KotOR-era game by yours truly in the works, which should have an ad up by the middle of next week at the latest.  So if you haven't gotten into a game yet, don't lose hope, there are still plenty of chances left.  :-)

Appearently, by 'middle of next week', I must have meant 'just over an hour from now', heh.  A new ad is up, feel free to check it out.  :-)

Everyone, I have updated the Game Info sections for the three boards we will be hosting the games in.  If somebody (or somebodies) could check those for me and make sure they look okay, I would appreciate it.

How many games will be run?

For now we will have only four RPoL boards.  SWSEC - Star Wars Saga Edition Community, SWSEC - Clone Wars, SWSEC - Rebellion, and SWSEC - KotOR.
  The community board will only host our discussions, links, character creation guidelines, etc., and the other three board will host games, a maximum of 14 each.  If we were to grow beyond that, it would be easy to add more boards, but I don't foresee that happening for a very long time if ever.

If you're interested in playing a particular game, do you contact the GM directly, express interest in a thread, or what?

Please PM the GM directly, right here in the community.

I looked, they look alright. :)

So multiple games will be run on the same forum based on what time line it is from?

Yes - one board holds our KotOR era game, another the Rebellion era games, and so on.

So who's running the Clone wars one?

Thanks, Kitty.

So far we have no games set in that era, Vorantha.

Ok, I'm a bit confused.  So the games will not have their own separate game board?  They will be threads within this board?  Am I understanding that correctly?

GM Palapatine, the game currently posted in "Available Space for PCs" is that just a title change or a new posting?

Alright.

Not this board, no, but in other boards, one for each era.  For example, all our KotOR games are hosted on a single board.  This is done mostly to protect us from situations where someone joins as a GM, starts a game, only to grow tired and delete it without warning - something that is far too likely to happen on RPoL, unfortunately. . .  :-(


New posting, yes.

So here is a question I've been pondering. If a Wookiee is unable to speak if we want to play one how are we supposed to be able to communicate with our party?

Either buy a translation droid or speak with one of the players and ask him to learn shyriiwook.

1) Ask the other players if one of them would mind learning Shyriiwook.

2) If you can afford it, buy a droid with a translation unit.

3) Buy a vox-box, and pre-program it with your 10 most likely phrases, and go with that.

I thought it might be something along those lines. In your games do you allow your players to create equipment that isn't listed? I mean if it's well thought out?

I think it's a GM thing. If it is logical and reasonable I would allow it.

Yes, what he said.

So whats new in the KotOR book?

A quick rundown:

12 species

10 new talents belonging to the Jedi class
8 new talents belonging to the Noble class
6 new talents belonging to the Scoundrel class
6 new talents belonging to the Scout class
7 new talents belonging to the Soldier class

21 new feats (including list of which classes gets them as bonus feats)

4 new talents for the Elite Trooper prestige class
2 new talents for the Force Adept prestige class
1 new talent for the Gunslinger prestige class
17 new talents for the Jedi Knight prestige class
4 new talents for the Sith Apprentice prestige class

3 new prestige classes

10 new Force powers
6 new Force talents
10 new Force techniques
20 talents belonging to the new Force traditions

...as well as loads of new weapons, armors, personal shields, lightsaber crystals, droids, starships, fluff, statblocks, and just all around a lot of awesome things.  :-)

I want to get that book lol.

Me too!  :p

PAX was nice.  Got two Star Wars Saga core books free (one for me, one for my girlfriend), along with a normal price KotOR book, all three signed by Rodney Thompson.  Score.  He's a really nice guy, too.

In reply to PC Nintaku (msg #79):

Ooh, I saw him post on the WotC boards that he might bring an early copy of the Force Unleashed CG to show the people at the con...  any sign of it?  :D

Yeah, it was sitting on the desk and looking gorgeous!  Same cover art as everything else with the Force Unleashed in the title, and it looked just as thick as the KotOR CG.  I considered flipping through it, but I'd rather wait until it comes out and just get it for myself.  XD  Besides that, I want to play the videogame and enjoy that so I can get a feel for what the book is trying to represent.  As it happens, so would he.  Had to write the campaign guide based on loose scripts and commentary.  That sounds kind of ridiculous to me, but they wanted it all to come out around the same time.

So how cool were the new force powers then?

Could you get an invisible lightsaber?
That would be tricky to use but awesome for sneak attacks

you'd have to be really, REALLY sure you were holding it in the right direction when you turned it on... ;P
This message was last edited by the player at 22:18, Thu 04 Sept 2008.

You have to do that with all lightsabers. I'm suprised noone's stabbed themselves yet, what with swinging a tube of magnetised plasma around, there'd be a fair bit of self-stabbery.

Which is why jedi are trained with sabers that aren't lethal.

That is why no-one but Jedi, those with the mystical powers of the Force, can use them.  Everyone else is just as likely to hurt themselves as their opponent.

Having hit myself in the knuckles, neck, shoulders, ribs and head with my sticks, I can attest to the dangerousness of learning a new weapon. :)

A lightsaber would be utterly suicidal in the hands of anyone but an expert. Even then I have my doubts. Lightwhips, and nunchaku and three-section-staff style lightsabers would be insane, as you can't control the recoil. Grand masters of flexible weapons still hit themselves. Many maneuvers include this as part of the routine.

A Jedi would need the Force just to avoid attacking himself.

(This has been your instructive weapons geek rant.)

The jedi even invented a force power for the sole purpose of avoiding their own lightsaber, Negate ;)

I had an idea for a Trandoshan Jedi once, who learned to use a lightsaber the hard way. :D

I ran a clone wars game one time for my wife and her brothers and one of her brothers was playing a jedi apprentice who, through two seperate very unfortunate die rolls, ended up lopping off each of his arms at one point. It was hilariously funny on my end.

LOL
That's hilarious indeed
Probably the safest lazer weapon, to the wielder, would either be a Mace or an Axe. This is melee weapons mind you, guns would ironically probably be the safest lazer weapons.

they were stuck on a planet that didn't have readily available prosthetics so he had to hunt around for parts to scrounge together so that the medic in the party could give him a new arm. Once he got it, basically the next encounter caused him to lose the other arm.

Wow, you must be one sadistic GM.  Although, aren't we all?  Isn't it some sort of requirement?

It's not required, it's the bi-product of being granted god-like powers over an entire universe.

I just thought it was funny that lopped off his own arm just after replacing the other.

Given how often Jedi seem to lose hands I imagine prosthetic limb dealers have frequent customer incentive packages for them.

>> am I the only GM here who's never seriously maimed a player?

I mean, even my brother chopped our characters' arms off in a certain D20 Modern game you'll soon find I reference constantly. That was irritating, since I played a katana weaponsmaster... who preferred to fight two handed.

No hon, of course not.  Don't forget that I'm here.  Miss Let's-See-How-Much-We-Can-Overreward-The-PCs at your service.  :p

GMs don't maim players. Players own stupidity maims players :)

*puts every effort into befriending Princess*

I think you could give the Jedi Temple on Coruscant a Bulk Discount on Hand and Arm prostetics.

Well if you set up a prosthetic limbs and cyborg parts shop, then you'd make a fortune in the Star Wars universe.

In reply to GM GreatNightwolf (msg #102):

Imagine being the Prosthetic Hands, Arms, & Limbs Sales Rep who lands the Jedi Temple Account...  O.O  Talk about a big commission!

General Grevious was the best jedi
He didn't have to worry about losing hands, he could just replace them. Also he had four hands and being a robot, he could use all four as if he was using 1.

How did Obi-wan ever manage to kill someone that awesome? Shoulda reprogrammed him as a light jedi.

The trouble is that he wasn't a robot, just a crazy super-cyborg.  He still had a brain, so he couldn't be reprogrammed into being more awesome.  And since Obi-Wan wasn't a cartoon character anymore, Greivous had to tone down his badassery to something a live actor could fight.  He was still pretty impressive, for a brain in a jar that couldn't use the Force.

I was once in a tabletop D&D game where a PC tried to make a from-above pogo-stick style attack with a two-bladed sword. Place the feet on the hilt, the blade between the legs, jump down from the roof on the monster... It would have qualified for a Darwin Award if it weren't for a few natural 20s.

Funny you should say that, but I did more or less the same in a recent GURPS session with my mage. Floating above a small giant that the rest of the party was fighting, I had virtually no chance of doing anything damaging to it. Draw sword, pointy end down, cancel levitation.

Two critical success dice rolls (hit and damage) later, and its TIIIIIIIIIIMBEEEEEEEEEER :)

Kenobi took Grievous becuase he's one of the greatest lightsaber master's ever.

*snorts* The last guy in real life who tried to use a two-bladed sword was known as Vlad the Self Impaler.

Hey all!  Look forward to getting some good games going with ya--seems like we've got a good crowd here.

Kenobi is nothing
He lacks Qui-Gon's most powerful force ability:
Summon Bigger Fish

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!  Funniest thing I've heard all week!

Okay you are right he doesnt have Summon Bigger Fish, but at least he's got Uncanny Arm Cutting.

On another topic I didn't find anyone who notified me about my campaign so I am here to ask you guys, which kind of Campaign you would like.

I was thinking of changing the one I have up now to a Spacer-Campaign were you guys would do mostly things like smuggling and space fighting, maybe here and there something else but most of the stuff Space related, which is why you could call it Spacer-Campaign.
If you would like anything else I could think about it and maybe we can get a new campaing out of this.
By the way I don't think it would be a problem if one who has a character in another game considers joining my game.
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:18, Sun 07 Sept 2008.

I'm up for any game, just sitting here chattin' at the moment.

In reply to GM GreatNightwolf (msg #114):

I've always thought it'd be fun to try something like that Nightwolf--do a Rogue Squadron Campaign, or Kyp's Dozen type thing where they fight their way into a planet or ship and land to finish the deal.  Plz keep us posted!

Sounds like at least one would find a Space-Type campaign okay.

I would like to hear, what you guys would prefer:

Starfighter-Campaign

'Smugglers'-Campaign

A Starfighter-Campaign there most of you would either be pilots or people that are closely associated with those pilots. Most of the action would be space-action, with some ground-action, mostly if it is related to a mission for example: You need to enter a facility and steal something.

In a Smugglers-Campaign there would be only one person 'needed' to know how to pilot, but several that do other things onboard of the Ship. It would also have some Ship-to-Ship fight and boarding actions. You would be pretty free to do anything with your character and on the ship.

There is a third type, a campaign where you are officers or anyone else associated with a Capital Ship. Most of the Action would consist of Capital Ship fighting, maybe Starfighter action if one or so is associated with the Star Fighter squadron.
One interesting aspect is interaction between ranks if they are originally friends to each other and may have to do things that could either hurt the friend or the relation.
But I don't recommend this type of play as it won't have much party interaction if most of the players aren't on the same stations. Even then it would be mostly about typical work there if not for a full bridge crew.

I'd like to hear which you would like to have

Capital-Ship-Campaign

Starfighters-Campaign

Space-Transporters-Campaign (Smuggling-Campaign)

Well I personally would be willing to give any game a go.  Although if I had to choose between starfighter, space transport or capital based games I would go with starfighter.  As it was mentioned before the thought of being in a group like rogue squadron or Kyp's dozen is very intriguing.  However regardless of the game my character will be trained in pilot and probably mechanics as well.  If he's force sensitive then probably will be trained in use the force as well, then again who wouldn't be...honestly.

I'd be interested in a Starfighter campaign - I've got a fun idea for a Ring Defender I wouldn't mind trying out. ^^

Sounds good for a Starfighter Campaign, send me your Character Sheets via PM.
I can tell you guys this will be a Rebel Alliance Squad.

I would even allow for an Astromech if someone really would like to go for that.

I did it and now you have a splendid Ad to look at.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:27, Sun 07 Sept 2008.

I'm looking for a game to use my Kel dor Jedi. But don't think i can get him in one at the moment.

Hey all

 New to the community, have just picked up the Saga edition rules and the KOTOR campaign guide. I too would be interested in a Starfighter type campaign. How long will you be accepting characters for, as I will most likely not have time to do character creation until tomorrow evening at the earliest?

That will be plenty enough, just send me a Concept, Character Sheet and Background via PM and you are good to go. Look in the Character Creation Thread about the Chaaracter Sheet.

Roger that. I'll get that to you as soon as I can

I have a question as well.
I know many of us are players or DMs in RoA.  How close is the setup to that of RoA?

I'm not quite sure what you mean, could you clarify your question for me (or for Palpatine as I might be in bed by the time you reply)?

Are you basically using the entire setup from RoA so you don't have to go through all the headache?
You can say "When in doubt, use RoA's rule."
I'm talking about realm transfers, DM and player XP rewards, character creation rules, etc.

Just the basics, then.  Because we're using different eras and time travel would be completely impractical for many concepts, we have different rules for transfers.  We do not have DM XP.  The only bonus PC XP we have is for birthdays.  PC XP IC is awarded as the GM sees fit.  If we see the need to, we can try to standardize it later.  Our character creation rules were loosely drawn from RoA, but Palpatine and I tweaked/recreated them based on SW rules, of course.  Anything else?

Actually, I think the PC creation rules were mostly taken from Dawn of Defiance, with a few things changed (starting level, droid PCs, and Destinies).  Though, I did copy the table for the Point Buy costs, since I have no talent whatsoever in making those myself.  :p


But, in general, saying that SWSEC is based off RoA isn't a false statement at all, though we have tried to simplify things a bit more.

But DoD is SW rules, right?  Or have I just totally lost my mind or something?

Well yeah.  :p  Most of the rules in that thread were copied straight across from the Dawn of Defiance standards.

Okay, that's what I thought.  I guess I just didn't see why added that.  Just clarifying, I suppose.

Still have some places left for the Starfighter Campaign.

For additional information look through the advertisement in Available Space for PCs or send me a PM.

I wanna join that, I'm writing up a sheet now.

Yay more people for the starfighter game!

Can we be Dinner Squadron? What about Silly?

(Can you tell I've read the Rogue Squadron books one too many times? :) )

Bah, a friend borrowed my books and I can't do anything right now warsish.  I'll have to pass for a time.

I've got a sheet writ up, and of course I want to join!  Been looking for a place to put her for a while.  I just hope that not seeing that ad didn't make me miss it ><
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So just wondering but am I the only one who would so totally love to try out a Jedi Civil war campaign?

I'm kinda hoping for a Clone Wars era game. ^^

Though if I'd seen that ad, I definitely would've applied for the starfighter game... xD

Can't hurt to see if there are still got open spots tho right?

A Jedi Civil war game could be interesting, might be the first Star Wars game where I'd end up playing a Jedi character. Wouldn't feel right playing anything else at that point in history, at least to me. Though cases can be made (just look at KoTOR 1 and 2).

I'm thinking of a legacy era game myself, not sure what it would revolve around quite yet though since what we've been told of the Legacy Era is basically what's in Star Wars: Legacy and the source book doesn't come out for quite some time.

I've wanted to give the Legacy era a read, but I haven't picked up any of the trade paperbacks for it.

I would think if you have a general idea of whats going on in the era you could run a game without having the sourcebook. I'm sure there were KoTOR setting games before the campaign guide came out, it just didn't have all the flashy rules and pre-built stuff ready for it. But that's why a campaign guide is nice to have, it gives you info you didn't have and a basis for modification, instead of having to build it all on your own.

Ya know I had an idea for some friends I'll be Gming for later this year. It's set way ahead in the future could possibly even say alternate timeline. But anyway here is just the basic concept. So basically everything has been just peachy keen in the universe for at least 300 years (not 300 years after the Battle of Endor mind you.)Everyone has forgotten about the sith. Who make a reappearance not with one or even two members of the sith tradition though, a whole fleet of sith reappear. And since it's set in the future there would of course be "relics" fromt he other eras of gameplay.

I know it's kinda vague but just in case I ever set it up I didn't want to ruin the whole story.

Ohh, poor gal.

I've got a freeform game I openned up last week and I'm looking for players to join in. It's a Star Wars game set during the clone wars era. Go ahead and check it out.

link to another game

I'm so sorry about your grandmother.  I hope things go more smoothly for you! I don't think you day-to-day problems are petty--even little problems can hurt.

Yeah, it's usually the little things that make the bigger things unbearable.  I hope things turn better for you and your gramma, Princess.

You have my prayers, Princess.  Sincere ones.

I have just opened up applications for a new KotoR-era game, entitled 'Shadows of Glory'.

Details in the Available Space thread.

Hope your loved one recovers swiftly and completely, princess.

I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother, Princess.  I hope all turns out for the best for her.

Hello! I've just joined. Nice to meet so many of you...didn't think there would be this many O.o

Hi! :)

Oh yes, this has become quite a busy place.

Now to just wait for a niiiice Rebellion era game

Hi pinkbunny! :)

Seems my game goes way more smooth than I thought it would. I am pretty certain I could take up another one although this time I am definately taking less Characters. (7 is pretty much.)

I take suggestions, if there aren't any I will go with what I think is right.

Clone Wars?  NJO?

There aren't any Clone Wars era games yet.

If you would like a Clone Wars campaign, which kind of play would you prefere.

I could go for the Classic War-Campaign if there are no specific wishes.

Well, I'd prefer a rebellion era game, but it's better to please the masses.

Well I'd love to play in a clone wars based game...as either a clone trooper or a jedi.

how about a clone wars game from the other side's perspective?

Hmm, a game with the PCs as battledroids?

Battledroids weren't the only people who fought on the side of the Seperatists. You've got the quarren, the geonosians, the Jabiimi seperatists, etc.

Main problem with playing Battledroids is the lack of sentience. Sure they sounded pretty self-sufficient, but knock out the control ship and they all die.

Though the ship was commanding an army. Perhaps individuals have enough AI to make them human enough.

Battle Droids are just remote drones, unfortunately, at least according to RAW (though 3PO would disagree!)

unless they were elite ninja battle droids with in-built processors, designed to combat the Republic commandos.

Don't think I'm getting my rebellion game this time around. Figured I'd miss the Delta squadron game, wouldve been a perfect place for a mechanic.

Once the Jawa game is off the ground I was thinking of running a second one, I don't really have any ideas that I am dying to try out right now... I was thinking of maybe running one of my old favorites, "The Far Orbit Project" Which follows a group of Alliance Privateers (basically pirates) but I would have to convert the whole thing on the fly from WEG D6... which would be a significant pain in the rump :p

I'm open to suggestions if anyone has a specific game that they'd like to have run...  or if anyone knows of a conversion guide from D6 to D20 I could conceivably run The Far Orbit Project... In any case as I am not having a lot of creative juices flowing at the moment I’d prefer to run a pre-made adventure, rather than coming up with it on my own :p

On the subject of battle droids, I ran a D20 Revised game with one player taking on the role of a B1 batte droid that had been refitted with a heuristic processor by a Nabooian mechanic after the Battle of Naboo.  I doubt that'd work for an entire collection of characters, though, unless they were a specific set of battle droids purchased for the purpose of fitting with their own processors.

I'd be fine for a privateer game, Selia might even get her ship. *cackle*

Hello all! I'm pretty new to the whole SE community but was wondering if there were any space available for a newbie character?

Welcome!

Let me clarify. I'm an experienced RPer, experienced with starwars as a whole (I've played in numerous d20/d6 games and am running a  d6 game on RPoL at the moment) just new to the saga edition. Although then again I did play d20 modern and it really seems like all they did was merge star wars with the character class system of d20 modern for saga edition.

check the "Available Space for PCs" Thread for games that are recruiting.

I did but they didn't have links posted and when I tried searching for the games, nothing came up :(

you can apply for any game listed on this message board by PMing the GM who is running it.  We run the games on three boards, one for each ERA that we are currently running games in.  The boards can be found here:

KotOR: link to another game

Clone Wars: link to another game

Rebellion: link to another game

Send Rtj's on this board though, it helps keep everything in order ^_^ once you are accepted to a game the GM will get you set up on the proper board in the proper group.

rmail or PM the GM's of the games listed.

Hello, dear.  How are you?

Hey PRague. ^^

Hello all!

Hi praguepride! :)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:52, Thu 18 Sept 2008.

*smiles*

PM

Thanks for the info guys!

Well... *brings the private lines back into public, since they're now relevant* I still have a couple of spaces in my Jedi Shadows campaign...

Oh, what is said campaign about?

If I had to guess, I'd say this:




:p

I might be interested, although truth be told I'm not a big fan of playing as a jedi. Are there non-jedi spaces available? I understand that this may gimp my character compared to the others, but for me, Star Wars = scoundrels.

Agreed!

Well, it says right in the description that all players will be members of the Jedi Order.

Yeah, but I'm sure the Jedi Order needs pilots and guards and any number of humdrum activities that can be fulfilled by non-jedi.

edit: Or I could be a failed jedi. Someone who's force sensitive but just doesn't have enough of the force in them to do anything with it.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:20, Fri 19 Sept 2008.

Info on Jedi Covenants:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Covenant

Thanks. Like I said, if I can be a Scoundrel, maybe an attache to the Covenants, a non-force bounty hunter or something, that would be awesome.

So far, I've got a pilot, a warrior and a seer... Because of the rules I've put in place, though, I'm afraid you do have to be force sensitive.

I never said anything about having to have any levels in 'Jedi'. ;) Just that the party are members of the Jedi Order. Or were. Kind of. They're Shadows, so they were struck from the records when they took the job. Someone with Sensitivity, but only a little talent, would probably fit in quite well with the Shadows - easier to disappear if you're not powerful.

Like I said, as long as I can play a scoundrel, I'm happy :D Just point me in the right direction!

PM me your finalised character concept and write up the sheet, then I'll direct you to the KotoR board and ask you to RTJ over there. ^^

http://theforce.net/jedicounci...w/rodneythompson.asp - an interview with SWSE game designer Rodney Thompson from TheForce.net, an interesting read.  :-)

Also, Secrets of the Sands is still open for players - we have two characters so far, an astromech droid and a 'social' scoundrel/Force user, still need a Scout-type, and we could do with some fighter-types (be they Jedi, Soldiers, or something else entirely).  If anyone is interested, send me a PM, please.  :-)

That reminds me of something. Could someone of those players please take Binary as a language ^^' I am the Droid and a Astromech so I thought it would be inappropriate to have a vocabulator.

At least in the old editions, you could totally upgrade an astromech with a vocabulator.

I know but it just feels inappropriate, that's why I didn't get myself a Vocabulator.

I gave an ASP droid I had a better vocabulator, but I messed up the rolls to install it so it talks wierd now. It treats everything like a question :D

Well I know that in the beginning of the Han Solo trilogy, the astromech that flew the cargo ship had a vocabulator so it could talk to the engineers.

Not to change the subject but which does everyone prefer, Jedi or Sith? For me it's Sith hands down.

That kinda comes into another question.  Which sets of Jedi and Sith, respectively?  The Jedi had several sects and ideologies, as did the Sith.  My personal favorite of the Jedi were Luke's students.  My favorite Sith was Darth Traya, but there weren't really more like her except possibly Jacen Solo's friend Vergere.

Any Sect so to speak.

Depends.  There are some pretty cool characters on either side and I have messed with good character concepts on both sides of the line as well.  I also agree with Nintaku that it can depend on the particular "flavor" of jedi/sith as well.

Personally I prefer the Jedi from the Tales of the Jedi time period. The teaching structure and everything gave them a very druidic feel to me. Not DnD druid mind you. Celtic druid.

My favorite example of sith would have to be either Revan and Vader when it comes to the sith individually. As for the sith as a whole It would probably have to be the mindset of the Jedi Civil War period Sith?

I'm with Nintaku, Treya is my favorite individual on either side, but i really don't have a favorite side, they are equally ballanced in my mind, what would the Jedi be without the Sith? What would the Sith be without the Jedi?

Well, the Jedi would still be the Jedi without the Sith.  It's the Sith who rely on the Jedi, not vice versa.  The Jedi were still Jedi for the twenty thousand years before the Sith existed as the anti-Jedi cult we all know and...er...love.

But the Sith completely rely on the Jedi for everything.  The entire culture is based on them.  It was Jedi who broke the rules and promoted exploration and use of the Dark Side of the Force, then took over an unknown race and fueled hatred and anger against the Jedi that survived for all this time.  They exist solely to destroy the Jedi and have their revenge, which happens to have the side-effect of allowing them to revel in their power.

The Jedi, on the other hand, consider the Sith merely a threat, not a reason for being.  The Jedi are simply monks, teaching and exploring the ways of the Force, and using their power to help the rest of the denizens of the Galaxy who cannot help themselves.

Personally, that's why I'm on Traya's side.  I think that the only real path to making the Galaxy strong is to rid it of the Force.  The Jedi would still be Jedi.  The Sith would still be Sith.  Everyone would simply be on a level playing field, and people couldn't simply beg the Jedi to help with every little problem, since they'd be just as capable of accomplishing whatever the task was themselves.  Jedi training would become little more than a philosophy and religion, integrated with ancient martial arts.

Does one count the ~20 or so years that there were no real Jedi to speak of, only Sith, following the rise of the Empire?  I know there were occasional stragglers to clean up, but the Sith had a solid go of it right up until the time Vadar threw Sidious over the railing.

The Empire was pretty much content to put the Jedi on the back burner and focus on rule through fear, instituted specism, and massive public works projects.

Heh.  Public works projects.  Oh man, do I wish I had the spending cash for that Force Unleashed guide.  That's an era of the galaxy I should really read up on some more.  I only don't count it because I don't know it as well, but they did have quite a bit of focus on controlling Force-users and making sure no one spoke of Jedi without repercussions.

I think it only seems to have been such an important part of that era because it was the focus of most of my reading, but most of that was from game supplements anyway, discussing types like the Imperial Inquisitors and such.

Don't forget - there were Jedi who survived past Order 66, and outlived the Empire as well.  K'Kruhk and T'ra Saa are still parts of the Jedi Council in the Legacy era, well over a hundred years since the Empire was defeated, after all!

True, but their impact on the actions and mentality of the Sith was negligible.

Not true. You've got Vader hunting after every last bit of news regarding any existing Jedi, desperate to finish off his old Master Obi-wan Kenobi. Then you've got the creation of the Imperial Inquisitors who's primary purpose was to interrogate Jedi.

Yeah, Jedi survived Order 66.
Yoda being the main one.

But all the ones who did survive would've been the ones who were out training on wild worlds and found out about the call. Then hid themselves until the empire fell.

Not true.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki...r_66#Known_survivors

Four members of the Jedi Council survived Order 66 (Shaak Ti managing it even though she was in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant when Darth Vader led the 501st in their attack on it).  Several Jedi survived attacks by Clone Troopers (Master K'Kruhk for one, who also saved a whole bunch of younglings), and in at least one case, Clone Troopers refused to execute the order given them:

Shoot, a rebellion era game, fun looking, but one I can't join, damnnation.

Hey peeps...just saying hello....

I might want to join, if I get to be a Jedi.

In reply to PC jmkool (msg #224):

Oh, I didn't read all of that.  Nevermind then.

I am trying to join the rebellion era game.  What else do I need to do other then PM the GM of said game.

You should give the GM as much info on what you want to play as possible, including race, class, and more importantly personality and background for your character.  If you've done all that then there is nothing to do but wait patiently for a response.  If the GM hasn't replied to you chances are they are asleep or at work or something... us GM's do like to catch some Z's every couple of days... ;p  which means at least 8 hours of not checking RPoL for new PM’s as I have yet to find a surgeon willing to surgically graft me to the computer so that I can reply to PM's in my sleep… ;p so generally allow a GM a day or two to respond to your application... ;)
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:19, Wed 24 Sept 2008.

I understand that.

Well then all you have left to do is wait for your prospective GM to send you a reply. ^_^

So on another note.  Anyone here notice the similarities the Tau from warhammer 40k have to the Duros?

Which species? Aren't the Tau composed of like, 3 or 4 different kinds?

the tau are just the tau. They are allied with several other alien races (kroot, vespid, etc)


This message was last edited by the player at 20:14, Wed 24 Sept 2008.

Meh, the duros have the stereotypical "alien" look, so you can argue that they look like a ton of little green/grey men.

edit: Actually the Tau look a lot like the "monk" race from War Winds.

edit 2: Shama-Li, thank you wikipedia.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:01, Wed 24 Sept 2008.

its not just that is everything else..  The space fareing race, high tech, etc.

Well, what spacefaring race isn't high tech :D

Considering how much religion is involved with the Tau, and their strictly caste society, again I see more resemblence to the Shima-Li then the Duros.

The Tau of Warhamer 40k are composed of five subraces, plus signatory races.

Races currently known to work with the Tau Empire:
Tau
-Fire caste, typicaly short and stocky with camel-like hooves for stability on sand, mentally wired for agression and rage.
-Air caste, typically tall and thin with brittle bones and 'wing' membranes under their arms. They have fast reflexes and are resistant to abnormal G-forces
-Earth cast, taller and more powerful than the Fire caste, but mentally wired for building rather than destroying.
-Water Caste, between Earth and Air in height, with grace and composure. Mentally wired as diplomats, have good pheromone control.
-Ethereal caste, proportioned like humans, pheromone control exceeds Water caste, mentally wired for command.
Vespid
Insect-like creatures with an unparalleled mastery of sonic technology.
Kroot
-Kroot, birdlike humanoids that evolve by absorbing desirable genetic traits from their prey.
-Kroot Hound, birdlike quadrupeds, an 'evolutionary dead end' of the core Kroot strain.
-Krootox, birdlike primates, similar to Hounds.
-Gnarloc, birdlike predatory dinosaurs, similar to Hounds.
-Kroot Hawk, the original Kroot strain. Not nearly as smart as Kroot.
Humans
Ugly ape-descended jerks.


Not really all that much like the Duros. Plus, Duros are an old, old race, while the Tau are young and insanely tech-savvy.

Wait, Humans are a part of the Tau? Or are you talking about Imperial Guard/Marines who work alongside the Tau?

The Tau are kind of quasi- supposed to be a replacement for the space dwarves that died out long time ago. They needed a new "good" techno-savvy race.

There are human worlds inside the Tau empire that give their allegience to it. Their troops form Auxiliary Cadres, I think they released rules for them in White Dwarf a couple of years back. Basically, Imperial Guard units with some Tau upgrades, I think.

Bah. I played space marines. The best point and click army in the game.

The Tau are not a replacement for the squats.

Squats are allies of the Tau empire.  The are called the Demiurg.  And they still are a playable race in Battlefleet Gothic. but not on the table top game.

The Humans in the Tau empire are called the Gue'la, and the warriors that help the Tau are called the Gue'vesa.

Other allies are
    * Nicassar :  think Space Polar bears with psyker abilities.

Psyker's were such a great twist on the typical "psychic" character. Gave it a unique name twist instead of just calling them psychics or psionics.

ATTENTION PLEASE!

I brought to you a new Game set in the KotOR Era!

All for the Money...

The players are going to be a band of people living on the fringe of existence.
You will have a ship, first come, first serve for the Position of Captain of the Ship. First asking will be it. But please note, you will have to pay for a loan on a ship.

Game Style: See Ad. In addition to that it will be pretty much like Firefly/Serenity or Cowboy Bebop.

Dibs on captain position! Can I create a character tomorrow morning?

If you give me Concept now and speak with Palpatine about the Captain position(he is thinking about it) then no problem with tomorrow morn.

Out of curiosity, has anyone from this thread contacted you guys about maybe joining with us?

link to another game

Our goal is to create a unified star wars thread, like they have for nWoD.

Yeah, I was contacted by Yoss when we first started out, but we had different ideas about what constituded a gaming community.  We're doing an RoA-like concept here, with actual games coming first, because that's what most people interested in the system wants - games they can play in and have fun.

Ah, but is the RoA style appropriate for Star Wars? I understand that there is a very large representation of RoA here, but is it right for star wars? It works for RoA because you can divide the realm up into very real regions (Cormyr, Baldur's Gate) and they're all happening in the same time line. You can drag and drop GM's into each region etc. etc.

But from what I've seen from here is that each game is pretty independent from each other. Sure you have the ability to "travel through time" but how frequently is that used?

Plus making it only a one-way street would mean that I for one would be very disinclined to travel my character forward for fear of a campaign cropping up in the past that I would rather have him play with.

Finally, why does the Star Wars mega-forum have to be seperate from SWSEC? Can you not combine sites and create a sub-forum section of SWSEC so that fans of SW can be found in one location instead of spread across X number of star wars sites?

No - it's not ideal.  I've already adressed these issues, but the only way to solve them, would be to force all games to be set in the same time period.  And, really, that's no fun at all - some people don't like the Rebellion-era, while others wouldn't want to play in a game set thousands of years before the movies.

Besides that, the RoA method has several proven advantages to gaming (as opposed to message-boarding, which is what the other community most resembles).  If a GM joins up here, but then decides he doesn't want to do it, after all, you won't risk him deleting the game board with no warning, as is far too likely to happen in stand-alone games (warning: there is a game ad in the Wanted - Players board by Carl Wean, who has deleted at least three SW games in the past, claiming real life illness, only to go on and create new ones right away...  stay away from this one, guys).  Also, while moving between games is going to be a hassle here compared to RoA, it's possible, certainly - so far, all our games are KotOR or Rebellion-era, so if you want out of your current game, there should be several options out there.  And if one GM dissapears, there will be the possibility for another to take over, either temporarily (to get the characters through their current adventure, before they move on) or permanently, something we wouldn't have if not for this form of community.


Because, quite frankly, it seems the philosophy behind this community and the other one are too different.  We want our main focus to be on games, because that's what people use RPoL for - if you only want to discuss Star Wars or the roleplaying games, there are many, many forums out there that are far more suitable for it.  RPoL is a roleplaying site first, and that's what we want to focus on, not a pseudo-message board which also happens to contain links to games.

Personally, I don't see a need to merge the two communities - SWSEC does exactly what it was intended to do, which is primarily to provide games for people looking for Saga Edition games.  We've also had success when it comes to our own discussion-threads (according to some quick calculations I did, we've had an average of over 10 posts/day here since the community went 'live'), which are meant to cover just about anything to do with Star Wars and the roleplaying game (and a reminder for everyone - if you want to see a new discussion thread, please do PM me, and I'll set it up right away!).  We're happy with SWSEC just the way it is, and I can't see any benefits to be had from merging with this other community.

That being said, we're not looking to compete with you guys - it's just the official standpoint of SWSEC management that the two communities serve different purposes, and as such are better off not merging.  Something, I believe, Yoss from the other community agreed with, when we discussed this privately earlier.

Well put. Don't get me wrong, I'm not angry or upset or anything, I just like to ask questions.

On a side note, I looked up the deleted games for taht Carl guy and man, it looks like he started in Nov. 2007 and he has had on average about two deleted games a month (25 total deleted games, the last one being Nov.)

Wow. And I thought I was big man on campus running 7 games, but he's run and deleted 25 :D

Yeah - GM Princess and I were in three of them when he posted about his RL-issues (he actually just posted that to one of the games...), then a week or two later, he deleted them all, saying that he couldn't run his SW games anymore...  but that he'd still be doing his 4E games.  One of the games he was running was Dawn of Defiance, which really irked me when I saw him advertise for yet another DoD game not too long ago...  if only I could post a warning in his ads without them being deleted by the mods.  ><

Edit:  Done packing, need sleep now, bus ride early in the morning.  If possible, I'll post in my games before I leave tomorrow, but if I can't, I should hopefully be able to get online this weekend and post then.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:16, Wed 01 Oct 2008.

Well, you just Greylisted him here, and Prague could carry the warning over to the other community. ;)

Hmm. The other community. Like the other university. *Grins*

(In Leicester, we have Leicester University, and the Other University, officially called DemontFort... of course, to us DMUers, LEU are the Other Uni...)

I was in a few of Carl's games. The really sad thing about his games getting deleted is that they were getting really good, going well and then poof! It really sucked. I think he needs to get a good asst GM so that he can just pump out fun ideas and let the asst do all the day to day running of the games. All around sad stuff.

You're not alone.  I actually am running a DoD campaign and when I advertised, specifically asked for folks who hadn't read the scenarios.  He joined up anyway and after the battle in the first scene, started up a DoD game himself.  It turned out it wasn't his first time running it either.

I let him stay because he didn't mix IC knowledge and OOC knowledge and was doing fine role-playing.  And then he up and quit because of real life problems making him too busy to play.

One day later, yet another of his campaigns showed up in Players Wanted.

He seems a nice enough guy in PMs and seems really enthusiastic when he's around, don't get me wrong.  I don't dislike the guy, but I can't understand why he does stuff like this.

It reminds me of an interesting fella called Adeezy from a different forum.

It was a forum built around a simulation game where people would run the game and then fill in the blanks with creative writing. I found it interesting to read, especially as some people were fantastically good writers.

ANYWAY Adeezy comes along all energetic and excited, and starts a diary. Great we said, another one joins our numbers! And then two days later he stopped posting on it and started a new thread because he wanted to "re-do it" but he pretty much did the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...well, you get the point :D

He was eventually banned for wasting everyone's time. Well, he wa sctually banned for multiple accounts. He would start a thread and then have an alt post about how awesome it was. I thought it was hilarious but he really pissed off a lot of people very quickly.

Especially when he would create polls about who the "best writer of the month" was and he put himself up there with the "greats" on our board.

Anyhoo, some people just love starting a new game, and have very little consideration towards their players who have put a lot of time and energy into their characters...

Yeah, I've been in three of his games that quit.  Two Star Wars and one D20 Modern.

I have the feeling he doesn't like battles, the games I was in ran well up until it was time to roll initiative and then things fell apart.

Interesting thing is that his SW character, from what I seen, always uses the same name. And is a force sensitive soldier :)

Has anyone here not been Weaned? :p

Well, I guess we've all been in games that died shortly after being started, but he does seem to have a habit of doing it, and starting a new one soon after. Creating something new has its fun bits, but one can't do nothing but start things and drop them.

Different GM's but the same thing.  It's kind of sad, but I won't apply for a game if they ask for too much effort up front.  It's just too frustrating to write a novel about a character and have the game end after a hundred posts. ;o/

I've been in one or two of his games.

I fly blind into accessing games, I don't really have anyone I hate on here.

Games I host have plot holes and basic writing I'll admit, but that's usually covered up with hilarity and randomness. Unless I make a serious game, which I rarely do.
They fall apart after a while, after the initial thrill. But everyone has a good time I think.

Don't know that guy. SWSEC is my first community(not my first game, but almost ^^)
Don't really what you could call my style... maybe random/fun/strange/serious games(Like all of the above together ^^)
I also prefere that style of play, but serious straight gaming is also my thing(We have a campaign like that, it's loads of 'fun' and went pretty well up until now, as most of my friends leave for university and stuff, but we still have contact and do 'random' games.)

In reply to PC rankaratar (msg #261):

Oh hey, I just realized you're the guy that plays the alien cyborg worm.  Hi! xD

I hear you about not wanting to write too intricate an application.  I've been burned a number of times, too.  It makes it hard to get into Amber or Nobilis games, but oh well, maybe one day I'll find a tabletop group for those.

Anyway, characters develop on their and backstories can be fleshed out as the game goes along.  I don't see the point in planning a character's backstory as thoroughly as if one were preparing to write a novel about him/her/it.

And to PC Rankaratar: You played a cyber-Sathar?  Awesome.  (Please tell me I'm not the only one here old enough to recognize sathar...?)

It rings a bell, but I've forgotten everything except the name. Including where they're from. ><

In reply to GM Sunset Miko (msg #265):

They were the villainous race in Star Frontiers, which was TSR's space opera game back in the 80s (and if I'm the only one to remember either Star Frontiers or TSR, then I *really* feel old! :) ).

They were wormlike creatures with arms, legs, a tapered head, and for some reason, two pupils in each eye. 

Ooh, them! Ehe, I'm afraid it's a little before my time (I'm an '88), but I found an adventure designed for that game in an archive a few months back. Probably where I remember them from.

Nope...I remember having a fair amount of fun playing Star Frontiers and Knight Hawks with my brother.  I was kind of wondering if the reference to an "alien cyborg worm" might be Sathar.

Oh great, I'm in a game with Carl Wean.  Why didn't someone warn me before?!  Ah, what the hell, I just hope it's fun while it lasts.  I've seen so many games come and go, but then again I like creating characters, and probably more often than not don't get to play them.  (oh, is that a sort of double negative??).

I'm guilty as a player for getting into too many games when I have a lull iRL, and then suddenly getting overwhelmed iRL and having to disappear for a week or so.  I don't like to do it, but I would hope we all understand that this is all for fun and really shouldn't be taken all that seriously.  However, I do understand the argument that you're f*****g someone else by not being on and posting.  So, I try my best and often miss out on a couple of hours of sleep as I catch up on posting.  Oh well.  Of course I've also had the sense to not create a game to GM knowing that I have a hard time with, um, finding time.

BTW, I remember Star Frontiers, played it back in the day, still have a copy around, got another one I think, and even played it briefly here on RPOL with a RL buddy of mine.  I tend to be a RPG junkie and collector, having more games that I don't ever get to play than actually get to play in a face-to-face tabletop game.  I'm a sourcebook junkie for sure, and I hate WotC for making yet another edition of SW for me to buy and all the damn sourcebooks, but I just can't help myself.  RPGA should be Role Playing Gamers Anonymous for me.

Well enough about me, apparently I've revealed too much already.  Back behind my internet-spurred anonymity for now.

"I could dance on the head of a pin as well." - Yoshimo

I remember TSR. In fact, I think I can one-up ya on the nerdiness.

I actually bought (yeah, you heard me. Back before the internet you had to buy software :D) AD&D Core Rules, Core Rules 2 AND Core Rules 2 Expansion.

Got them for a resonable price as the Core Rules 2 Expansion was such a limited print (I think it was published the same year that TSR was bought out by WotC) that the prices for the longest time were outrageous, > $120 a copy. Then I found a tiny store across the puddle in the U.K that had overstock of them and were selling them for about $2.50 US (back when the us dollar actually had some merit to it) I thought it was a scam, so I only bought 3 copys but sure enough, they were legit and brand new. I turned around and sold the other two copies for a total of $150 and kept the 3rd for myself.

It's funny looking back because I realize that the profit from the 2 expansions I sold more then covered the cost of buying Core Rules and Core Rules 2.

I still have all the discs too :D. Man, I watched the movie on Core Rules so many times, I practically have it memorized.

Well, I make it a point of pride never to download a book that I wouldn't have access to in hardcopy.

This is helped by the fact that my brother obsessively collects Saga edition books. hehe.

Oh man, Knight Hawks—that takes me back!  I loved that game until I discovered Battletech.

I never bought the Core Rules CD, but then, why would I?  I had the first edition AD&D Player's Guide, Monster Manual, and DM's Guide.  Up until third edition, as far as I was concerned those were the Gospel of Gygax and everything else was superfluous.  (Mind you, I stopped played AD&D once I discovered Shadowrun and after that, got into WoD for quite a while).

As for real life issues getting in the way, as a GM, I know I always appreciate it when a player tells me.  I don't need a reason: I just need to know about the absence so I can plan around it.  And if a player really is trying to politely exit the game, I'd rather he or she be upfront and just tell me.

Mind you, I don't always do a good job of living up to that principle, but I do try.  (Especially when I'm a GM and realize I'll be too busy to do anything for a few days.)

Wow. Every game on the community is full.  That's pretty impressive.

Go team Venture! uh...I mean SWSEC community!

quick, someone open a proper rebel rebellion game :D

What we really need is an all-sith all-gamorrean game.  There's a distinct lack of those on RPoL.

I am currently working on a second game which will revolve around the crew of an Alliance privateer ship.  Legalized piracy, yay!

I'm waiting for a few RL things to blow over before i start another game though, so it wont be up for another few weeks...

how can you have an Alliance Privateer ship? They don't have a legitimate government until after the Empire is dead and therefore after the Alliance era, so they couldn't quite be privateers.

PC Pinkbunny:

quick, someone open a proper rebel rebellion game :D

Rebellion Era, you say?  Don't worry, I'm hard at work on my all-Ewok Imperial Naval Academy scenario.  You'll believe an Ewok can fly.  (Right into another TIE Fighter, but hey, still flying!)

*broken*

Bail Organa was the de facto head of the Alderaan, wasn't he?  Couldn't his government license ships to operate in Alderaanian space to hunt pirates?

<realizes that he doesn't understand nearly as much about the Imperial government structure as he might like>

Well WEG liked the idea enough to put out two sourcebooks for it...  I’ll go into it more when I start the game, but basically Privateers are only seen as privateers by the Rebel Alliance.  Of course the Empire sees them not only as Pirates, but Pirates AND Rebels.  However the Alliance issued letters of Marque to pirate captains willing to strike at Imperial targets in order to aid the Rebellion.

You have to look at it from the Rebel's point of view.  the Rebel Alliance is also called the Alliance to restore the Republic, they see the Empire as an illegitimate government, and their letters of Marque grant amnesty for all raiding and piracy conducted against Imperials and Imperial supporters once the legitimate government has been restored.  Obviously they dont mean anything to the Empire...  Privateers and Pirates amount to basicly the same thing in the eyes of the empire...

if you want to know more, go to wookieepedia and search "The Far Orbit Project"
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:07, Sat 04 Oct 2008.

Sounds cool. The game I had a character in was at the Battle of Eden, but that can be discarded to put the char at another time.

Actually, that sounds right up my alley. Has the whole "3-character" thing been decided on yet?

All, here's my "crawl" for a potential new game set in the Clone Wars era:


Star Wars
The Clone Wars

Like fire across the galaxy, the Clone Wars spread.  The Jedi take command of the clone army and seek to destroy the growing separatist movement.  Thousands of systems are caught in the crossfire, and many innocent lives sacrificed.  The Jedi know that finding and destroying the Dark Lords of the Sith behind the Clone Wars could put an immediate end to the hostilities.

Count Dooku has split the Separatist army into three major forces and sent them to the far reaches of the galaxy, to spread the Republic’s clone army as thin as possible.   He continues to crisscross the galaxy, drawing ever more systems into rebellion.

Meanwhile, Jedi Master Rham Kota has sent a hand-picked group of republic patriots to the Moons of Naboo to quash a persistent terrorist cell responsible behind a series of deadly attacks against Naboo’s civilian government…


What'd you all think?

I'd play it.

I think it sounds good too.

yes, you can now have a maximum of three characters, however if you already have two players with less characters than you will have priority over you in getting into new games.

I did a few D6 - D20 - SE conversions yesterday, and have come to the conclusion that with the exception of the two ships that i really want to use for this game i am not going to be able to convert everything i need.  which means that at some point today i'm gonna have to check the bank account and run over to my local gameing store and see what they are charging for Starships of the galaxy...  if they dont have it, or they want too much, i wont be able to start the game for a while...

From which game?
I play Vex a fair bit

I'm sure you could find a *cough* used copy. It is a very nice book and worth it though.

I'm not entirely sure how to accept applications for my Clone Wars era game.  I've posted the final "ad" in the "Available Space for PCs" thread.

I think the process is for folks to apply to me via private message here, first.  I'm looking for between 3 and 5 characters.

right, they would PM you here first, and then when you've accepted them you can add them directly to the Clone Wars Board... of course you will have to be added as a GM there, but i think Paly and Princess are the only ones who have access currently, and it's about 3 AM in their neck of the woods, so i'm sure they'll add you tomorrow if they havent already...

GM Furousha:

Thanks!  I've already been added to the Clone Wars board.

I've seen you play him in a few games, but I was thinking specifically of the one where I'm the GM - Heroes Needed.

And I've seen him in Broken World as well.

Haha! I get around!
You wouldn't think so with the lack of legs n' all

Don't you usually come crashing down out of the sky like a meteor?

Alright, my new game The Gathering Storm is now officially recruiting!  See the "Available Space for PC's thread for more info!"

I always come in a meteor. The size varies but still...

That looks like a fun game Furousha, and I finally have a book back so I can make characters again.

Ever since I saw this "All kinds of wrong" picture of a female quarren I've been wanting to make one and disturb the other players.


I'm thinking of going with a pilot/boarder combo.  And possibly cook.  For which the PCs will not be thankful.  I think I'm already in one of your games so you already know my habits good and bad.

Oh my, that's... just... wrong.

Go for it ;p

And yep, I know all about your horrible posting habits, bad grammar and munchkin-y min/max-ing.  ;p kidding of course.  You are most welcome in any game I run, just PM me an application.  ^_^
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:41, Wed 08 Oct 2008.

Meh. Since she's basically an orange human below the neck, I don't get why a Quarren in a skimpy outfit is any more disturbing than a Quarren in full jedi robes.

Sith robes are pretty much the only acceptable thing for a mutant mindflayer to wear, in my opinion. Well, except maybe full mandalorian armour.

Cthulhu should not have a huge rack.

And why not? It's as entitled to be mammalian as the next indescribable monster from before time.

Yes, exactly, 0 = 0.  It's basic math.

For everyone in my regions, and  the GMs with my characters in theirs - I'm out sick, and won't be posting until I'm better.  GMs, NPC my characters if needed.  Thanks.

See?  Playing with your sister's Force Lightning make-up kit isn't very good for your health.

Hope you're feeling better soon.  ^_^

But after applying Uncle Palpo's Force Lightning make-up kit, your appearance is absolutely shocking :D

*dies immediately*

Haha, nice

I've got a proposal.  Why don't we change Palpatine's title from Head GameMaster to Great Overseer of Development, or GOD for short, in honor of developing this community?

Eh, I prefer 'Emperor', really.  :p

Meds are making me feel a bit better, but still going to hold off with posting, etc., until I get a solid night's sleep, rather than one where I keep waking up, freezing cold like last night. . .  some things I wanted to post here before, then, though - the first, a vent:

Appearently, 'Carl Wean' is starting up yet another SW game - for any who missed my previous warning about this GM, I'd like to reccomend you stay out of it, rather than waste your time rolling up a character, only for the game to eventually be deleted, presumably with no warning.  Obviously, we're dealing with an individual here who's main enjoyment of gaming seems to be the act of setting the games up, not actually running them.  A search of the GM's name, shows that he has a total of 16 deleted games to his name, at the very least, now with 10 more active ones running as well.  Having been part of three of his games that were deleted this summer (appearently, because of an RL illness that kept him from running his Saga-games any longer...  but starting new ones is a different thing entirely, obviously), I'd like to make sure the same doesn't happen to anyone here.


Second, an interesting read on game design can be found in this thread on the WotC forums, courtesy of Rodney Thompson:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1099069

I'm giving him one last chance actually. I'm currently in one of his games and hoping (strongly) that this one doesn't belly up. I also was in a number of his games over the summer. They all had cool concepts to them but unfortunately went no where. I've actually started to wonder, if he's got the storylines down, it could be a lot of fun to have another GM run them in his stead.

So he'd be good as a concept artist?

Which one are you in? I'm in one as well! The rantil sector one.

Nope, I'm in his DoD game. So far we haven't even started the actual storyline. I think I'm fated to never get past the first couple encounters in that game. I've yet to be in a DoD game that finished the Traitor's Gambit.

What are the DoD campaigns? I keep hearing about them but I don't know much about them.

Dawn of Defiance is an official adventure path published on the web by Wizards of the Coast.

http://www.wizards.com/default.../article/dodcampaign

If you play in the Living Force community, you can also take characters that have progressed along that path between RPGA events, I think.

The campaign takes the PCs from 1st to 20th level, too.

Though my players have yet to reach 2nd level... hoping to kickstart the game back into a more active mode today.

All:

My humblest apologies.  I had a bit of an emergency earlier in the week, and have been unable to get internet access until earlier today.  I probably could've gotten a friend to log on a post here to let everyone know what was going on - but I didn't think about it - so again, I'm sorry.

I will get through the applications to my Clone Wars game and get questions answered and characters approved over the next 24 hours.

I have a question.  How do you center text on a page?

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Thank you! :)

You're welcome, sweetheart.

Just a quick reminder that Clone Wars: A Band of Brothers is still accepting players.  Yes, there are a few folks with applications still pending, but only two approved players so far.

Crossing my fingers.... ;)

<>.<> Can some one tell me what RCR is cause my friend keeps saying stuff about how i could never learn to play it andi have no idea what he's talking about.

Does anyone know MKelly?  (S)He's GMing a (extremely good) star wars game and has kind of being in-and-out lately.  He mentioned medical problems, so does anyone know how (s)he's doing?

In reply to PC ErikNoza (msg #328):
I believe they would be talking about the Revised Core Rulebook, for the previous edition of Star Wars d20. I consider it what Dnd 3.5 is compared to 3e (assuming you also play Dnd :P)

In reply to PC Serai (msg #329):
Sorry, don't think I've even seen any of Mkelly's games.

GMs Palpatine, Sunset Miko, and I are in one of MKelly's games.  I believe the latest incident has our good GM improving.  I certainly hope so.

In reply to PC ErikNoza (msg #328):

RCR is the revised core rules of the first SWd20 System Wizards of the Coast put out. It's the thing right before Saga Edition. The Wikipedia article is pretty good too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWRPG

Welp...Carl Wean did it again. yet another game deleted. Here's his explanation.



He posted it and deleted the game before we could respond. Oh well, I was a little tired of playing with all of his Marty Sues running around, including the leader of the rebellion, leader of the jedi, and all-around "badass" named...Carl Wean.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:49, Sat 01 Nov 2008.

Pfft.  I stopped even looking at his games anymore.  There was no real point.

He just openned up a new one too.

Are you serious?  That's kind of sad.

Man, I just don't get it.  He plays the same PC in every game he joins and apparently plays a messiah NPC in every game he runs, one which excludes the PCs from any meaningful spotlight.

It's just bizarre.

Why would you make an NPC the main character?
That's just retarded

Some people amaze me.  Not in a good way.

Rankaratar - here's a hint. It rhymes with "Procrastination" and amounts to the same thing.

self-gratification?
satisfaction?
mastication?

You picked a word with a lot of rhymes :D

*giggles*  Oh my goodness!  My mind must be in the gutter.  :p  The first rhyming word I thought of was naughty.  *giggles more*

Well, I can't help but feel bad for the guy.  And his first rule in his games is "I'm the GM and I'm better than the rules.  You can question it, but I'll probably ignore you" sort of thing.  I'm sorry, but if the GM's doing something stupid and against the rules of the system, I'll call them on it.  They're rules because they help the players understand what we can and can't do.  If you don't tell us crap to begin with, we're not going to trust you because (in his case) he does it so that he can be better than his players.

God, I hate GMs like that.  I wish they would take their "I'm holier than thou" attitudes somewhere else so that we don't have to actually waste our time applying to their games.

While I, as a GM, feel it is my Lucas-given right to alter the rules as I see fit to run my campaigns, if I'm going to do so, I'll do my very best to let the players know before it ever comes up.  I had a really bad experience with a GM who had a house rule making stun weapons pretty much the only viable option out there, without letting us know about it before one PC had been dropped, and then refusing to alter it, or even acknowledge that he should have made us aware of the rule before starting off (or using it against us). . .  So, yeah - GMs out there, if you have house rules, let your PCs know about them in advance.  :p

Off-topic in that it's not Star Wars related, but the worst house rule I ever encountered was with a Shadowrun GM.  Anyone remember Shadowrun (or FASA, for that matter)?  It was a cyberpunk meets D&D affair: street samurais and uberhackers crossed with elves, orcs, and magic.

My GM watched me make up a Wage Mage (basically a former low-level executive wizard) whose only real deal was that he could shoot off fireballs.  Absolute shite with weapons, no cybernetics (interferes with magic), mediocre to awful physical stats.

The very first scene, he revealed that his game didn't allow magic.  Or rather, no establishment allowed the use of magic and if you ever tried magic in public, you'd be gunned down by a squad of elite corporate police.  So effectively, no magic use in his game at all.

The reason for this rule?  He couldn't be bothered to read the magic system rules and anyway, there was no magic in Neuromancer.  The reason for him not telling me?  Never did figure that out, but I suspect it was a ploy to get me behind the GM's screen again....

Ouch.

I can't really think of anything like that that's happened to me. >> Well, except for my brother ruling that detonating all my explosives inside a dragon's throat (Warcraft RPG) dealt no damage to it because "dragons are immune to fire damage, idiot." >> Forget concussive force and all that, dragons are immune to fire.

Windwalker, you're probably on the right track. :p There's a saying in england;

"Procrastination is like masturbation. It's great at the time but eventually you realise you're just -ing yourself."

*giggles lots*  That is so cute!!!  But isn't doing that to yourself better than not getting any at all?  :p

Not really. It just kind of reminds me of what I can't have. >>

You can't have you?  :p

I really don't think everyone here needs to know about my sex life, sis. :p

Good point.  :p  But that doesn't make any sense.  :p  Until my fiancé gets over here, I don't even have a sex life.  *groans*

Hoo boy.  I wouldn't complain.  I broke up with my last girlfriend almost a year ago.  >_>;;

... I live with my girlfriend and I can't have any sex, imagine how I feel. :p

(To be honest, it doesn't bother me all that much. >< She's the one who gets frustrated.)

Why? Is there something wrong?

Look!  A Conversational Diversion!  And a Sparkly Kitty!

I play in MKelly's Star Wars game--and he has been missing in action for a couple of weeks.  I think he's still posting in other games(*)--so if anyone is in one of those games, could you please mention that we are somewhat concerned and would really to find out what happens next.  In short:  Come Back.

(*) But I he mentioned health problems, so he might just have Co-GM's for his other games.  I don't know.

Can you explain this to me in rMail, honey?  I'm totally confused.




And my fiancé and I haven't seen each other in over a year, so I think it's safe to say I can complain!  :p
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:35, Mon 03 Nov 2008.

My point being that you still have that happy emotion in you from having a significant other.  Mine's pretty dead.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:18, Mon 03 Nov 2008.

The way I look at relationships is that they're either ment to be or they're not. Life is a journey with only one real destination, so you can't get hung up on this event or that because it keeps on moving. Time doesn't stop so you don't really stop either.

I went through a string of bad relationships, just one after the other after the other before I finally found a girl I could trust enough to buy a really expensive shiny stone for. At the time of those previous relationships i thought everything was terrible and life hated me, but now in hindsight I realize that everything before was preparing me for the present. And in 10 years I'm going to look back at my life now and realize that aoll the good times and bad times happening now were preparing me for future, and so on and so on.

There's no real end to it except the inevitble one that we reach eventually...Disneyland!

Here we are complaining about it and I just had a 12 post NPC arguement. It needed to be done and I felt like it was a nice way for the players to get introduced to the leaders of the organization they just joined (by having the 2 main heads arguing with some of the secondary people throwing in their support) but I'm still trying to keep the focus on the players.

I won't be sending in an NPC army to do all their work for them.