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Some bad advice, to me. What to avoid.

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Just_V
GM, 1342 posts
I am your eyes, but
you are the perception.
Wed 27 Nov 2019
at 21:31
  • msg #1

Some bad advice, to me. What to avoid.

This thread remains primarily for posterity. You don't need to read it, and are encouraged  to skip it until you truly have spare time. It is most relevant to here: link to a message in another game primarily msg #58 to #74

Of note this is important too: link to a message in another game

Finally here is the last ad for this game is players wanted note the time stamp. The year if nothing else. link to another game notice this game is missing. Thus this IS the receipt...those that care to look here will see, I am slow, I am unreliable to deliver on RPoL, but I am consistent and most of all honest.

On more imminent notes: This documentation for those that may need, or just want, a take of my GMing style. This is a "bad" look for me, and yet I'm not going to sweep it under the rug. These are the receipts. I stand by what I do, even if I later change my mind, I don't change the events of what I did or didn't do.

Ameena recalls be publicly shaming them. I didn't. You can see above, by time stamp I didn't.

So this is how I GM, and handle conflict. Ameena is welcome to RTJ if they so choose to, so long as that's their motive; to request to join, not discuss or vent.

For those that may come upon this, I caution you to see past the identity of Ameena and to me instead. Ameena is not unique, nor the first, nor last. They, however, made public outcry that is relevant to just that, the public, the plethora that may want to see an example of how I handle disruption. Facts don't lie.

I encourage people to simply isolate the parts they like about a game, and if that aligns with my projected, ostensible goals, then you have a good place to start from. Capability is legion, most people don't fall in one of two camps, but one of myriad. I am saddened that to preserve the whole I have to remove the squeaky wheel. I do not, however, resent that squeaky wheel here. I simply think it's important to have greater perspective.

Thank you for considering the above before reading the below. It really is not required reading. If, however, you want to; this is a conflict resolution in practice, empirical, not theoretical application.
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:23, Tue 07 Nov 2023.
Just_V
GM, 1343 posts
I am your eyes, but
you are the perception.
Wed 27 Nov 2019
at 21:33
  • msg #2

Some bad advice, to me. What to avoid.

Caaru:
Umm...what I meant was is it sounds like you're trying to build the entire world before letting us play in it, when you don't need to - you just need to build the bit that we're in, so we can start, and then do the rest in the background while we're busy messing around with whatever's in the area we've started in. Otherwise you might as well have just not bothered calling for players and getting us to join yet, rather finish up the worldbuilding and then look for people to play around in it.

In reply to Caaru (msg # 79):

Okay. Since you feel that way. I'll remove you. :) This was a reply to Gm ad for Ryu. Caaru -_- I never ad for players. :D Or do you not remember that? Go back and read it, Ameena. Just...just do that. You're confused. I have too much good in store to focus on your trying to tell me something, even after I told you, that is not the case. You are free to RTJ, WHEN I ad. Until then. Relax. Play some other games. If you decide you don't want to RTJ. You are welcome not to.

I made this clear. What it sounds like to you, is not what it is. I told you that, I was explicit. The world, however, DOES exist. Much to your disagreement, it does. Whether you explore it or not, Ammena, the world exists. If don't you follow that philosophy, you're of different mind set. Making stats, making props, that's part of being prepared. If I'm having you explore, and I am to decide what you see, hear and smell, because I have to describe that, I, I, need to now that. If I don't know, how can you? Ameena. As was said. by Lord Winter. People do things differently. Do you agree? OR do you think some are  right while all the others wrong? Some GMs improvise, but then that energy runs out when life gets hard, as it is right now. I know. I was an acting major for year and a half. I worked with improve actors. I'm in storytelling guild at the library. Everyone I know does this. It's entirely possible everyone you know isn't slowed, isn't dulled by stress. I admire them. But I need to have a plan.  I know this. I know this about myself.

So I want toto make a plan, a foundation.  I said this. Many times. I want a just...make the map. If I have plan, even if I'm recovering ftom cancer. I can GM. It will be nearly no work. The work will be done. You can all explore, and while I'm convalescing, I can enjoy what I built. I can watch you all explore. Even if I'm in the hospital, and I don't have my books, or my super comfy chair or PC, and am limited to a couple hours of computer time.

When my work is done Ryu can enjoy seeing a chance to play his concept coming to fruition. Sir Snow can finally have some attention be given to him, one of the wheels that doesn't squeak, because I haven't paid as much attention him, in answering your frequent PMs. In trying to assuage engine's thinking I need or don't need something.

There's a great quote. A delayed game is eventually good. A bad game that is rushed, is bad forever. If you don't get that. You need to. *nods* Get that.

My approach is a "start big" game theory. There are two ways. TWO ways Caaru. These are not ways I invented. These are the most fundamental ways. They both work. To make a game. You do it one of two ways. Start small, fill in minute details. Liek you insist I do. Start big, get the most superficial ones. I can link you to the pages it talks about this. This is not my first, nor merely my 600th game I've GMed. I am just doing the latter, it works better for me. You aren't accepting that. To ply?. You need to. You've not been helpful. You haven't been. Which is why I'm removing you. I'm not mad, but you are distracting me. It's Thanksgviing today with my family. The reason I'm not going, is because this has soured my disposition. I'm not bitter, it would have been trying, I wish I could have, but I make do. Perhaps it was for the better after all.

Hear this, just think about. I have no incentive to say you are helping...when you're not. I have no incentive to work on something, I don't want to, or do things, in a game, that aren't fun.. I am enjoying making the map. It's relaxing. I am enjoying getting back to the basics. I will appreciate the seeds I sow, when I can see them blossom, and just let the players, the sunshine, and water, people's posts trcikle in, sustain it.

In the future consider this. Please do. I am as transparent as I can. Should you RTJ in the future, just agree you're willing to accept what I say is the truth, and not repeated look for problems that aren't there. It's just a delay. That's it. If you need a reminder. I just went quiet. ening epoked me. So I gave an update, which roused you. I was quiet, because I was working on the map. Most. GMs. Do this. If yours' don't, they probably will one day. If not. I guess I am not as skilled at them. I'm enjoying KISS. Okay? Okay. Oh kay.

Have fun in your other games. If you come back, it will be to RTJ, and that's fine. You will be considered without prejudice.
Just_V
GM, 1344 posts
I am your eyes, but
you are the perception.
Wed 27 Nov 2019
at 21:33
  • msg #3

Some bad advice, to me. What to avoid.

AS seen above, serious RL events occurre.d Not long afetr I left everyone know I was restarting, but I had set back. To be clear, we haven't started. I haven't even set start date. I was working on a map. For what I assume was the delay, this user wanted to convince me not to make map. they wanted to start. I explained I was not ready. I explained I was enjoying making the map. I explained I had OCD. But that it was still, at this point, productive and enjoyable.

The following was prior to what you see immediately prior to this post.
(About how I said something. I didn't. And meant something. I later clarified, because the original statement was vague, was not what I meant. Still, they wanted me to understand, and also, in doing so...)
quote:
But I'm sure you get what I mean
Um
quote:
- don't worry about building all the world now - we're only gonna see the bits we're interacting with directly
get? yes. Undertstand? yes. Agree. 0%. -100%.  Worry? I'm not worried. I was...not worried. There is not worry. Obsessive? yes. I have OCD. That's like saying don't blink. For like, an entire day. o_o That's the equivalent to what you're asking me not do. lol.

quote:
so we don't have to know the rest of it doesn't actually exist yet :D
  This isn't the Quantum realm. I'm not a quark. Nor in any part of this. Yes, yes, in fact, actually, it does exist. I need, as a RL agent taking an action (to make the map), that requires thought, to make that. So no. No, non ,on ,no ,no. It does. It does exist. The wrodl does exist, at the very least the gerneral very superficial details, the God
s eye view. It's like a globe. I'm not even making castles. I'm just getting very superficial large scale stuff. Where one kingdom starts. Where one war general is. Where, as you say, a swamp is. Then, where there happens to be event, succrent events that your character would know about. If you say they don't, they forget. They could not subsist without knowing. It is imminently obvious. It does not have to be explored fully. It's not obligatory, and in fact, that people explore it all, or even any of the parts they aren't inclined too. If none appeal, I guess, make another character that would be interested in exploring. It's game (as as said in the Game introduduction) that has fair bit exploration. Even if you, apolayer don't explore a section, if isn't seen the first time I GM...it will eventually be explored somewhere, by someone.. So no. You are wrong. I don't see how you think I'll be able to describe something, if I don't first think it up. I don't know what consistency you expect if i don't have record. Sure, I can wait until the last minute. I'm still doing the same thing. Procrastination is bad! :D

(About how to make quests. When I said. I'm just writing down where, and the what, generally those quests are. I'm not making quests. It's just notation. That's it. It's just so I know who and what's where. Yet, it is still read as, and replied to, that I'm making quests, as in, full fledged long hand; not short hand.

quote:
. And you might find you get some super cool plot idea from something one of our characters says or does - how we interact with each other, or with NPCs, little character traits we have and so on.
Yes, but one goes with the other. Opportunity. Adaptation. You need both. Need. Both. Need. Need. Both.

(An aaology about me making map, was like me making meal, and runnign the game, was like serveing the food)
quote:
Feel free to lay out the buffet and see what each of us chooses
*blinks* I'm not The Genie, I have to cook it. In this metaphor I have to create the recipe. In a literal sense, I have to make the map. I don't comprehend how this some leap in logic.

quote:
then go out to the kitchen and bring out whatever complements that stuff :D.
Yes. Correct. But I'm...still cooking the Buffet. Cool your heels. Grab a snickers in the form of another game. There are other games you can play as well. I'm probably not the only game you're in. If you are, ad for a GM, or surf the public boards. This is catered, if nothing else, to cater to Ryu. I wad glad to have you, but you were getting under my apron. So I'm sending you outside. If when the food is ready, and I let the whole site know, you want to eat, you have an invitation. For now, go outside, get some fresh air. I'm still cooking.
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