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[OTHER]Star Wars Rants.

Posted by GM PrincessFor group 0
GM Princess
GM, 77 posts
Palpatine's Number 1.
Gives great helmet.
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 01:38
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Star Wars Rants



Need I say more?
GM Princess
GM, 78 posts
Palpatine's Number 1.
Gives great helmet.
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 01:39
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Re: Star Wars Rants

We still have not yet had the wonderful pleasure of seeing Spaceballs II: The Search for More Money.  :(
PC jmkool
player, 49 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 02:07
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Re: Star Wars Rants

That's not ranting.  That looks to me like trying not to rant.  Or waiting to be prompted to rant.
PC damiensolta
player, 2 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 02:08
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Re: Star Wars Rants

The "Maximum PC" podcast has much ranting, in "Gordan's Rant of the week". So if we need some rants, I can transcribe his... (and yes, some of them relate to starwars).
GM Princess
GM, 80 posts
Palpatine's Number 1.
Gives great helmet.
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 02:44
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Re: Star Wars Rants

I'm sorry, but I guess I'm just too nice or sweet or some other such nonsense to really and truly rant the way other people do.  Unless you want to get me started on something like politics or religion which would get all of us either very angry or in a lot of trouble.
PC jmkool
player, 50 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 02:48
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Re: Star Wars Rants

Hmm.  Those are two topics that I pretty much don't rant about.  Ah, well.  To each his own.
GM Princess
GM, 81 posts
Palpatine's Number 1.
Gives great helmet.
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 02:50
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Re: Star Wars Rants

I'm extremely passionate.  About anything and everything.  I either love it or I hate it, there is little middle ground with me.
PC rankaratar
player, 41 posts
Utinni!
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 03:14
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Re: Star Wars Rants

I love making cakes shaped like the bio-hazard symbol. It's hilarious to give to people.
PC praguepride
player, 46 posts
Asker of Questions
Finder of Answers
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 03:19
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Re: Star Wars Rants

So, which is worse. Gungans or Ewoks? That should get a rant out of somebody!
PC rankaratar
player, 42 posts
Utinni!
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 03:27
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Re: Star Wars Rants

Ewoks by far. Wooping little bastards...

Gungans had some style. Their cities were awesome, their planet incredible, their aesthetic sleek and cool. Ewoks were a bunch of teddybears in a forest. Gungans are steampunk with dinoriders!

They are a really good race and a lotta people would've liked them if not for a certain one...
This message was last edited by the player at 03:27, Wed 08 Oct 2008.
PC moonstonespider
player, 17 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 03:28
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Re: Star Wars Rants

Well Gungans gave us the Jar-Jar in Darths and droids, who is pure distilled awesome.  Ewoks gave us a really bad made-for-TV-movie.

In my book Gungans win.

I feel like the prequels were really missing Han Solo.  I don't mean the actual Han Solo of course, (Chewbacca showing up was bad enough) but the archetype, the older, wiser, cynical scoundrel guy.  I think if Jar-Jar had been that way he would have worked well as a character, but as is all the idealists feel unbalanced.
GM Palpatine
GM, 122 posts
Ruler of the Galaxy
Dark Lord of the Sith
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 05:23
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Re: Star Wars Rants

PC moonstonespider:
Well Gungans gave us the Jar-Jar in Darths and droids, who is pure distilled awesome.

On the other hand, Gungans also gave us the Jar-Jar from The Phantom Menace, which is pure distilled...  well, you get the point.  :p
PC moonstonespider
player, 18 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 05:49
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Re: Star Wars Rants

True enough, but they were both horrible in the movies.  I'm just saying, something good eventually came out of Jar-Jar where I'm not sure anything good has come from the Ewoks yet aside from a nice string of jokes in Wraith Squadron.
PC rallenc82
player, 43 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 05:50
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Re: Star Wars Rants

Hey, the empire was defeatd by the ewoks *nod nod*
PC Nintaku
player, 22 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 06:18
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Re: Star Wars Rants

Personally, I don't see what's wrong with either Ewoks or Gungans.  Neither was particularly bad, and both served their respective purposes.  Taken for what they are, the two species do well enough that no one has yet convinced me that either of them should be forgotten about entirely.

Gungans existed to serve as the only real problem on the world of Naboo.  They're native, the humans aren't, and rather than try to discuss this, the gungans just hole up and keep contact with the outside world to a minimum.  They're xenophobes, taking their misunderstanding of the humans on Naboo to mean that all outsiders are nothing but trouble.  In and of themselves, they're a fairly advanced race with an interesting (if draconic) culture, rather like Star Trek's Klingons, if the Klingons preferred keeping to themselves rather than running about and conquering things left and right.  They value honor and loyalty above all else, and to hide the weakness of fear, they act aggressively towards the unknown.

The reason everyone hates Jar Jar so much is because he was an idiot.  That was how he got to be in the group in the first place: The gungans didn't want him in their city anymore because he was stupid and clumsy.  He was a danger to anyone living in that bubble city.  Still, that's not good enough reason for me to hate the entire species.  It just demands better writing to make the character less ridiculously pointless.  As it stands, he's a waste of CGI.  The only things he does to help the group is to introduce the Jedi to the gungans in the first place, which could have been done by Amidala herself later in the movie (though that would have felt forced and awkward), and take them to the gungans' secret hiding place.  Aside from that, he's pure comic relief, which shouldn't have been necessary had the writing on that film been up to the standard set by A New Hope.

As for the Ewoks, I'm pretty sure they don't exist purely because 5 year olds like cuddly things.  Seems to me they're around to be a relatively dangerous set of total primitives, a threat to both the Rebels and the Imperials, without looking overly aggressive.  They're cautious and curious, and were there as a challenge to the Good Guys to overcome, which they managed.  One of the few useful things 3P0 ever accomplishes, too.  Then they go on to be the army the Rebels need to back them up, and while the idea of using a small bow and arrows on stormtrooper armor is pretty stupid, the rocks and logs were pretty good ideas.  Seriously, though, there was no way they could have known what to expect, and they did a rather nice job of salvaging that fight.  It just went on a little longer than was necessary.  As for the point about there being only one visible ewok death, my guess is that the point of that overall scene was to show that the imperial forces were overwhelmed.  I didn't see anything to make me think the ewoks existed specifically to entertain younger audiences or to be annoying.

I will, however, state that I don't really take most of the specific events of the prequels to be cannon.  I prefer to think of them as 'the basic idea', and fill in my own mental blanks when it comes to things like dialogue, Anakin's personality, etc.  Bothers me that the 'good man' Obi-wan remembers was nothing more than a psychotic jerk with no redeeming qualities.
PC rankaratar
player, 43 posts
Utinni!
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 06:52
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Re: Star Wars Rants

Good points. There's nothing essentially wrong with their concepts and they're fine in theory...

But theories are treacherous things that can, at any moment, disintigrate like a biscuit raft.

One of the big flaws was the prophecy that the Jedi keep misunderstanding:

Prophecy: A Jedi will bring balance to the Force...
Balance: 1 - 1
Prequal Balance: Jedi 40,000 - Sith 2
Jedi Prophecy Reading Skills and Brains: -50
Sith Converting and Killing Skills: +50

You do the math.


That was another thing that bothered me; The Jedi

I'm not going to get in Midichlorians but the jedi were horribly messed up.
Flipping all over the place with epic lightsaber battles with force powers up the arse is fine in my book as long as it's entertaining and doesn't get old.

Unfortunately it does get a bit old when there are 40,000 jedi flipping around, assumably off cliffs due to a severe case of stupidity. It's like the tuition fee for Jedi-training is their brains and any sign of intelligence, at least that would explain why they couldn't sense Palpantine or read a Prophecy correctly. I would've liked it if there was only around 50 or so Jedi, most of which aren't masters but are better than Padawans. But rather they have a huge amount of retarded lightsaber swingin' masters getting killed by the soldiers who couldn't hit Luke from about 3 meters across a gap.

Anakin was a drama queen.
PC jmkool
player, 51 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 06:56
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Re: Star Wars Rants

That's merely what the Jedi became after a few thousand years of peace.
PC rankaratar
player, 44 posts
Utinni!
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 07:19
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Re: Star Wars Rants

What? Idiotic morons who couldn't predict the side of a barn door hitting them?

This is why I wish Star Wars was made by Douglas Adams. Ah, what a story it would've been...
PC Nintaku
player, 23 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 07:36
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Re: Star Wars Rants

About that prophecy.  The Jedi don't see 'balance' the same way as normal people.  They're religious zealots, after all, and so have their own definition of otherwise straightforward words.

Part of Jedi philosophy is that the Dark Side of the Force isn't a natural occurance at all, and is actually a corruption brought about by negative emotions and people toying with the Force for their own gain.  As such, they define 'balance' as 'harmony', which means ridding the Force of corruption.  They thought the prophecy meant that someone would remove the Dark Side entirely.  Which is flat out preposterous, but they weren't thinking clearly.

So yeah, that was a horrible tragedy that could have been averted had they just realized that 'balance' means 'equal'.  Then again, their view WAS correct, because later on, Vader kills off himself and Palpatine, ridding the Galaxy of the Sith for a few minutes.

And the Jedi were pretty effective in combat against normal opponents, but not against legions of them.  Except, like, Mace Windu.  But seriously, he was busy fighting a level 20 Sith Lord.  Had better things to do than go around the Galaxy rescuing his comrades from their troops.  Also, clone troopers are much better trained than stormtroopers, being that they have some training.  Stormtroopers just have armor, guns, and the mental programming to follow orders to the death.

About that flipping out...well, I think the Jedi got a little excited when there was some action.  Finally a chance to play with those lightsabers they've always wanted to turn on.
PC rankaratar
player, 45 posts
Utinni!
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 07:49
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Re: Star Wars Rants

Fair enough but that's why I hate religious Zealots.

Protoss Zealots are awesome though.
PC Nintaku
player, 24 posts
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 07:52
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Re: Star Wars Rants

And that's why I prefer Luke's Jedi to the Old Republic's.  Less arrogance, more substance.
PC BadCatMan
player, 18 posts
Only Imperial Storm
Troopers are so precise.
Wed 8 Oct 2008
at 08:01
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Re: Star Wars Rants

I like the Darths & Droids interpretation. :D

http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0146.html
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