praguepride:
First of all let me say that standing and saying “There isn’t anything wrong” is an opinion, not a fact.
Yup, and everything in your post is also an opinion (I know you lampshade this, but then you strive ahead as though your are the hallmark of accuracy. ;) )
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You HAVE to apply empathy and nuance because ultimately you are dealing with people’s feelings, not hard facts.
No I don't. It would be nice if everyone did so, but it's not a requirement for a discussion or even for life. Nor is it a requirement for creating a path forward, despite what many would demand.
However, let's just continue forward as though both sides should be applying empathy and attempting to understand the other and not project motivations.
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There is no codification for being offensive or taking offense. It is an abstract concept that has no measure and is entirely subjective.
Which is why it is useless as a measure for the requirement of action. Is someone objectively harmed? Move forward to undo or repair the harm. Is someone claiming their feelings were hurt? Well, that comes down to the individual artists and how they individual feel they need to move forward.
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Second of all, let’s just quick touch on sexism.
Yes let's talk about mostly naked male barbarians running around in the snowy wastes. Oh, you mean the 'sexy' female armor nonsense? Of course you do. I agree. I've always hated that nonsense, it's nice that it's receding but still allowing for depictions like the Pathfinder iconic sorcerer or Jason Momoa running around with his shirt off...
I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
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Saying there can’t be black people in the Witcher...
I'm going to stop you right there. 1 - The Witcher series was written by a Pole and is a fantasy depiction of the oppression of the Polish people... you know, the white guys in that eastern european nation that gets swept under the rug* every time someone wants to pretend that only PoCs have ever been oppressed or mistreated.
So yes, demanding the Witcher be altered to include african people (or hispanics, etc) is colonization and it's nasty. Stop doing it.
* Right along with the Irish.
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Fourth, coded stereotypes. I will pull up Mystara...
Yup. And things are changing... but this discussion was/is/and should be about
non-human races, not about ethnicities. As I mentioned earlier, if you really dislike the depiction of ethnicities in fantasy works, talk about it when that comes up and people pushback against it.
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That being said the history of Tolkien races being racist analogs to real world stuff is... very contentious.
You can either take the authors word or continue insinuating that he's a racist liar. You're choice, but i know which one isn't very empathic or understanding.
Yup, WW was pretty bad in some places. Conceded and has nothing to do with "D&D and race restructuring". Besides, I'm pretty sure the Progressives won the war with WW, they've gone really Woke of late.
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Give bigots absolutely no shadows or hooks to hold onto as a statement saying YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE.
No.
Not until "your side" stops attributing
everything to bigotry.
Also, no, because if I was going to kick all the bigots out of the club an awful lot of 'Woke' people would hit the curb.
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So in conclusion the #1 thing to realize is that 9 times out of 10...THIS ISN’T ABOUT YOU, STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT ABOUT YOU.
It's about changing the things I enjoy. It's about making those things less enjoyable for some of the people currently enjoying it.
So yes, it is about me and what I want, and what I want is for your team to go make your own stuff. If it's really swell, you'll get all the good people flocking to your products, the
actual bigoted products will fall to the wayside, everyone wins.
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Updating racial mechanics and cultures isn’t going to hurt the game.
We'll see. You're definition of "updating" and mine are probably not the same here.
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TL:DR: games update all the time to appeal to more demographics. Stop freaking out.
Projection? No one is freaking out. However some of us have watched the trend and are tired of being accused of 'racism' because we enjoy things that some other people declare to be 'offensive'.
As the great Stephen Fry has said "You're offended? So what?"
This message was last edited by the user at 02:29, Mon 06 July 2020.