I've voiced my support for donations to other users as well.  I know, a user could donate one day, and the second user could leave the next day, so any donations given would have to be presented as going toward the site and nonrefundable.

An age check would still be needed, though.  When PayPal verified my checking account, the company sent a small credit to my account to make sure it was a legitimate account.  Could RPOL do something similar?  If one user has $20 slanted to them and have never verified their age, they could do a one-time $1 payment or something like that.

Speaking of paying for it, I've paid for it by way of a considerable time investment over the last two weeks.  Though there were unfortunately no viable alternate suggestions in this thread, the moderators and myself have been putting our collective heads together.  Coming in the next version will be the following changes:

1. New users will have to provide an age statement when signing up.  This age statement is month and year only (as are all other age statements referred to below).  We do not collect more than that as there are incredibly strict security and data retention requirements if we collect private/identifiable information (such as a full DOB), plus it is illegal to ask if the user is under a certain age in some countries.
   
   
2. Any user who is currently blocked from the adult section will remain so.  Subscription may be your only option to reverse this if your current denial is due to something other than the fact you're under 18 (if you're currently under 18 then you have to wait until you're not!).
   
   
3. Any user who currently has access to the adult section will be changed to have an adult access level of "not requested".  This includes existing and new members alike.
   
   
4. All users who wish to have adult access will need to provide an age statement / age of majority statement which requests access to the adult section.  At this point your adult access will change to "pending".  This submission will be put into a queue which will be reviewed by myself and the other moderators.  This statement will either be approved or denied depending upon the statement provided.
   
   Only a member who has an account that is over two weeks old can request adult access.
   
   
5. If a user's adult access is denied then see point 2.
   
   
6. If a user's adult access is granted then they have access to the adult area, but not to a specific adult game (read on to make sense of that).
   
   If you are granted (or denied) adult access you will receive an rMail letting you know.  The rMail auto-deletes once it's read.
   
   
7. Any adult game you enter and try to post in/manage (even those you GM!) will also prompt you for an age statement.  This statement is instantly registered, at which point you are permitted normal interaction in the game -- but only that game; you must do the same for each adult game you're in.
   
   By "normal interaction" I mean you can then perform whatever actions you normally would be able to, as dictated by the GM.  If you're a visitor then you can send/continue an access request, if you're a player you can post as per normal, if you're a GM you can manage the game as per normal.
   
   
8. If a game is changed to the adult classification then the above point will kick in immediately.  There is no longer any need to temporarily remove players to get age statements from their account name.
   
   As the game owner, you will be given a summary of who does and does not have adult access when you go to covert the game (including your own adult permissions).  If you don't have adult access then it won't let you change the classification.
   
   
9. As a GM, you will be notified as often as possible if a user has not provided an age statement for your game.  GMs can also see an overview of the age statements that their players have submitted, in so far that they can see if age statements have been provided, not the value provided.  The can do a similar check for prospective players.
   
   Generally you will not be able to add a new player to an adult game if they do not have access to the adult section of RPoL.
   
   
10. As a GM you will no longer have to collect age statements for players, the system handles it all automatically.

This message was last edited by the user at 10:19, Wed 13 Aug 2014.

Sounds like a fair and sensible system.
Thank you for all the time and effort you and the rest of the mod team have clearly put into this.

Will there be a 'grace' period so games can keep running while players and GMs alike rush to get adult access granted, and the mods deal with a whole boatload of adult access requests? For example, update happens, players/GMs in established adult games have two weeks (or another arbitrary unit of time) to get adult access granted?
Or will we just have to accept a game slow down until the system is up an running smoothly?

And, to check I understand point 7: I am in an adult game. Update happens. I request adult access. It is granted. I go to post in my adult game, RPoL asks me to provide an age statement to the game. I do, and can post as normal.

In reply to Low Key (msg # 259):

No grace period, it'll kick in and you'll have to request access.  We have a way of mass approving all ok looking requests, so we'll be able to approve the influx quickly.

Your understanding on point 7 is correct.  Once for the site and then once for each game.  It'll be a lot a the start for people who are already in a dozen games, but once it's in place it'll calm down.

Will update point 6 with something I forgot.

In reply to jase (msg # 258):

Looks good to me!

In reply to jase (msg # 260):

Thank you :)

Will this change lock out players without the statement from viewing adult games at all?

Basically with this change will more adult material be allowed in the publicly viewable area's of a game sonce only people able to view them can.

No, there will be no change in what is permitted in the public areas of a game.

Edit: In fact no changes whatsoever to restrictions on content.
This message was last edited by the user at 11:33, Mon 11 Aug 2014.

Jase, thanks for your hard work here.  It sounds like the transition will be quite smooth.

*** I may be in the minority on this, but is there a reason the rmail has to auto-delete? I'd prefer to keep it if possible, tho' I understand if y'all think it's better to self-destruct (preferably with the Mission Impossible theme playing <grin>).

I need to ask again, since no info came on this particular question and I don't like to try and slide stuff under the radar, in hopes that it will work: The adult access will be granted once we pay subscription via PayPal and provide the age statement asked for by Rpol.

My question is: is it possible to make a payment for subscription from someone else's PayPal account, as I actually have one that I share with a family member (both of us legal adults, but it's in her name) and creating my own account would result in me having to go through a long and bothersome process of getting a new credit card out. To be perfectly honest, it would take a really long time and I don't want to be absent from my games for so long.

Any return info on that?
This message was last edited by the user at 15:19, Mon 11 Aug 2014.

See jase's post above (msg #258).  There has been a change of plan.  We no longer intend to link Adult access to a subscription (except, possibly, for those whose Adult access has been deliberately removed).

In reply to jase (msg # 258):

I've already notified my players that this will go into the next update and that we will fully comply with it. Very happy to see this approach be taken, and I applaud the excellent staff here for planning to take it on!

Sooo, no subscriptions, but we simply... request access and that's it? Well, problem solved then! :D

Thank you so much! ^^

In reply to bigbadron (msg # 268):

Would it be possible to put the body of #258 in RPoL Announcements or similar. Only checked back on this thread because it had remained noisy for so long, otherwise would have missed it

Not exactly, there will be age statements, and checking and stuff.  :)



In reply to Jhaelan (msg # 271):

Already planned.  Just looking to see if it needs anything added/removed/cleaned up.
This message was last edited by the user at 14:55, Mon 11 Aug 2014.

In reply to bigbadron (msg # 272):

Shiny :)

In reply to bigbadron (msg # 272):

Oh, god, check and re-check all you want, just don't make me go through bank bureaucracy and it's all good. XD

LOL agreed Ranna.

Thank you jase and everyone, very happy with this decision and will be letting my players know what to expect. I know we all want this to work. :-)

I bet there was substantial work put into that coding. Great plan. I hope it fixes any of the problems the site currently has with adult content. I'm glad to see you taking the issue very seriously. I didn't realize how many minors were here. I'm thinking about letting my young daughter try out rpol. I have to say that the idea stems in large part from the controls and rapid modding already in place. I know it's a safe place to let my kiddo browse and interact.


Thanks again guys and gals, keep up the good work.

When will the next version of the site go live?  Is this something to expect in the next few weeks, or will it be longer than that?

In reply to jase (msg # 258):

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar! (and anyone else that helped) Looks awesome and honestly looks better than what I was thinking. Kudos! It's a system I can happily agree with and comply to. Can't wait to see it in action. :)

I rolled a 20 to throw a cabbage at the penguin!

Ooooops, wrong thread...

;=8)

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Query regarding changing an existing game to Adult -- does this mean that if a game is currently rated "Mature" and is then changed to "Adult" (after the new version is released), there will be no need to remove all players and ask them to submit a new RTJ with the age statement?  That instead, the next time they try to access the game once it is changed to "Adult," the "prompt" referred to above will appear?