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Subscription option in the future?

Posted by Lance H
Sir_Chivalry
member, 178 posts
Mon 11 Aug 2014
at 20:55
  • msg #282

Re: Subscription option in the future?

I was perfectly willing to pay the subscription, and will anyways because this site deserves my money.

But for this Jase, I would sit in an armchair and salute you while holding a scotch. You and your mods are truly kings and queens of men and women.

There should be no quick end to the adulation coming your way today, as is right.
cruinne
moderator, 6507 posts
what DO you do with
a drunken sailor?
Mon 11 Aug 2014
at 21:40

Re: Subscription option in the future?

In reply to Bevin Flannery (msg # 281):

This is how it was working when I tested it, and I think that's the way it's planned to stay.

That is, once a game is swapped to adult, the existing players won't be able to do anything with it until they (a) apply for adult access if they don't already have it and (b) supply an adult age/"legal for me to view" statement for that particular game.  However, since the system is the one doing the asking, they don't have to be removed first.
elecgraystone
member, 802 posts
Mon 11 Aug 2014
at 21:50
  • msg #284

Re: Subscription option in the future?

In reply to cruinne (msg # 283):

That's an unexpected benefit. Cool!
Bevin Flannery
member, 78 posts
Mon 11 Aug 2014
at 23:03
  • msg #285

Re: Subscription option in the future?

In reply to cruinne (msg # 283):

Fantastic.
Visceri22
member, 391 posts
This is a rather amusing
and catchy profile quote!
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 01:23
  • msg #286

Re: Subscription option in the future?

I applaud Jase and the mods and will gladly join Sir_Chivalry in their armchair scotch salute. Extremely pleased to see that people's concerns and suggestions were taken into account for the matter and I think this is a great solution to the problem at hand. Sure, it won't fix everything, but it's a good step in the right direction. You'll still see my name on the subscription list when you do bring that out as well. I look forward to see what you have planned.

Cheers!
Carakav
member, 567 posts
Sure-footed paragon
of forthright dude.
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 02:36
  • msg #287

Re: Subscription option in the future?

In reply to Visceri22 (msg # 286):

What he said!

Really looking forward to what the subs bring to the table! I'll sign on regardless, but I'm really stoked to hear what all will be made available.
facemaker329
member, 6433 posts
Gaming for over 30
years, and counting!
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 04:53
  • msg #288

Re: Subscription option in the future?

Man, I'd even join in the armchair-and-scotch salute, and I don't even drink scotch...*grin*
eternaldarkness
member, 783 posts
And the world shall fall
into eternal darkness....
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 09:27
  • msg #289

Re: Subscription option in the future?

As a very vocal detractor of the previous subscription plans, let me say that I am immensely pleased with the route you guys have instead decided to take. Now you'll get my money, not because I want adult access, but because you've proved yet again how awesome the mods here are, and I truly do appreciate you answering all of my questions and complaints, and all of your hard work. I'm looking forward to the coming changes.
This message was last edited by the user at 09:37, Tue 12 Aug 2014.
jase
admin, 3389 posts
Cogito, ergo procuro.
Carpe stultus!
Wed 13 Aug 2014
at 10:28

Re: Subscription option in the future?

I've updated my post with a few clarifications, which have mostly been answered anyway.

PushBarToOpen:
Will this change lock out players without the statement from viewing adult games at all?

Basically with this change will more adult material be allowed in the publicly viewable area's of a game sonce only people able to view them can.

As Shannara mentioned we don't currently have a plan to change those requirements, but I have noticed that a side-effect of this is that you can't read any threads in an adult game without having adult access granted for the site.  So I'll either need to change it so that visitors can view group 0 threads (with the usual restrictions in place) or we can leave it restricted to those with adult access only, which means that it could possibly hold adult content.  We'll have to think about that one.


Mr Crinkles:
*** I may be in the minority on this, but is there a reason the rmail has to auto-delete?

Because people won't bother to delete it, so we'll have thousands of rMails being stored that'll basically say "You know that thing that section you have access to?  You have access to it." (or not, as the case may be).


Mad Mick:
When will the next version of the site go live?  Is this something to expect in the next few weeks, or will it be longer than that?

10:28 AM GMT, 13th September 2014.  Give or take a month.  (c;
This message was last edited by the user at 10:29, Wed 13 Aug 2014.
bigbadron
moderator, 14608 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Wed 13 Aug 2014
at 11:00

Re: Subscription option in the future?

Only problem I can see with making currently public threads visible only to Adult members is that they won't be able to serve as shop window for those games.  Players who don't yet have Adult access won't be able to see any part of the games that would be available to them if they did sign up for it.

So maybe they just wouldn't bother with Adult access, since for all they can tell, the games might not be worth joining.
This message had punctuation tweaked by the user at 11:01, Wed 13 Aug 2014.
Shannara
moderator, 3468 posts
Whatever you do,
DON'T PANIC!
Wed 13 Aug 2014
at 12:15

Re: Subscription option in the future?

I would really prefer having Group 0 / Public threads visible just as they are now.

It's not too much to ask (IMO) for GMs and players to take the responsibility to put adult content in private threads -- and we've had a lot of help from the users in identifying any problem threads and taking care of it pretty quick.

The trade-off in time spent policing / benefit to games would be worth it to me.

Those who keep 'forgetting' would probably end up losing adult access after a reminder or three, but accepting a little responsibility goes hand in hand with being adult, IMO.  :-)
cruinne
moderator, 6509 posts
what DO you do with
a drunken sailor?
Wed 13 Aug 2014
at 14:31

Re: Subscription option in the future?

I am chiming in with the other two monkeys moderators above: I think having a game's group 0 and public threads available to users and visitors is an important aspect of getting people interested in the game.

We've only had the occasional problem with Adult GMs not properly putting stuff in other groups, and it's normally resolved quickly (and with help from other site users).

I have neglected to figure out yet if Game Intros/Character Descriptions to Adult games are visible without access to Adult games, but I assume since we're not pondering that they just are?  I think we're likely had more issues with Adult materials there than in group 0/public threads.  (Not that I'm advocating hiding them from those without Adult access.)
This message was last edited by the user at 14:34, Wed 13 Aug 2014.
Visceri22
member, 393 posts
This is a rather amusing
and catchy profile quote!
Thu 14 Aug 2014
at 02:23
  • msg #294

Re: Subscription option in the future?

In reply to cruinne:

They are.
This message was last edited by a moderator, as it was in need of a minor tweak, at 16:52, Thu 14 Aug 2014.
bigbadron
moderator, 14612 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Thu 14 Aug 2014
at 05:59

Re: Subscription option in the future?

In reply to Visceri22 (msg # 294):

They are now, yes, but I think cruinne means after the new system goes in.
cruinne
moderator, 6511 posts
what DO you do with
a drunken sailor?
Thu 14 Aug 2014
at 16:55

Re: Subscription option in the future?

In reply to bigbadron (msg # 295):

Yes, that's how it currently functions, but I was commenting on that I'm not sure how it will work after everything is settled.
bigbadron
moderator, 14615 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Thu 14 Aug 2014
at 17:05

Re: Subscription option in the future?

That's what I thought.  :)
OceanLake
member, 846 posts
Sat 23 Aug 2014
at 22:45
  • msg #298

Re: Subscription option in the future?

One thing about subscriptions: They might cut down on Double Trouble...or subscriptions go, say, like this: First subscription costs 1X; second (1+2)X; third, (1+2+3)X, etc.

I wrote "factor" earlier...poor memory. As I think on it now, having a factorial series would be a bit much: 1*2*3*4=24.
This message was last edited by the user at 08:35, Sun 24 Aug 2014.
willvr
member, 484 posts
Sun 24 Aug 2014
at 05:18
  • msg #299

Re: Subscription option in the future?

Depends why people are creating second accounts. It might cut down on it some; but I suspect there'd still be a lot of issues; and would only really help if subscription becomes compulsory. (At which point; this site goes from 'free; but perks available' to 'not free'.
cruinne
moderator, 6527 posts
what DO you do with
a drunken sailor?
Sun 24 Aug 2014
at 14:07

Re: Subscription option in the future?

I really don't see any reason to permit a user to pretend to be more than one real-world person, which is the basic representation of having more than one account.
This message was last edited by the user at 14:07, Sun 24 Aug 2014.
eternaldarkness
member, 798 posts
And the world shall fall
into eternal darkness....
Sun 24 Aug 2014
at 22:30
  • msg #301

Re: Subscription option in the future?

I'm with the mods on keeping group 0 open for viewing. It's not too much to ask for people to police their threads.
SunRuanEr
member, 17 posts
Fri 29 Aug 2014
at 15:14
  • msg #302

Re: Subscription option in the future?

In reply to jase (msg # 258):

Excellent work on this! I, too, will join in the armchair Scotch salute. /salute/

I do have a question, though: Point number 7 states, "Any adult game you enter and try to post in/manage (even those you GM!) will also prompt you for an age statement.  This statement is instantly registered, at which point you are permitted normal interaction in the game -- but only that game; you must do the same for each adult game you're in."

Does this work for Deleted games as well? You guys did some nice work a while back with making it so players could pull character sheet and description sources from Deleted games, and it would be a pity if that was lost to the ether.

Since it says 'try to post', and we can try to post in Deleted games before getting the prompt that informs us we can't, I'm curious.
LoreGuard
member, 559 posts
Fri 29 Aug 2014
at 15:49
  • msg #303

Re: Subscription option in the future?

Presumably... if you have a character sheet in a deleted game... you already would have an age statement in place for it.  Granted in the transition, there might be things you might want from old deleted games, but it sounds like that would end up meaning you would have to make a statement, to access the game, but then it would likely remain/regain access to get your old material.

This might make a delay, in accessing some of it, if a transitional game, but should in the long run work pretty well, based on what I have heard.
LoreGuard
member, 560 posts
Fri 29 Aug 2014
at 16:01
  • msg #304

Re: Subscription option in the future?

On the topic of pre-statement access:
I agree that Group 0, Public, Game Description, and likely character descriptions should stay visible, so people can see those aspects of a game to help them decide if they want to participate in the game, before putting in their request and age statement.

What if you get prompted for an age statement before you can make a private message, or access any group memberships other than Public and 0?

So you would be prompted if you click the Create RTJ.  You could go there and browse, without an age statement.  If someone adds you to a game, [without an RTJ, perhaps via agreement through rMail] and you have access to more than groups 0, or a private message, you would be prompted for your age statement, and if skipped, you would only have visitor status, even though your GM has added you.  [I.e. your name in the upper corner would your RPOL name... and access would be as if a guest.] It would be that way until you fill out your age statement.  Your statement screen could have a cancel, so one could cancel their RTJ attempt, and simply continue to read, if they want.
bigbadron
moderator, 14647 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Fri 29 Aug 2014
at 16:07

Re: Subscription option in the future?

I believe the intention is that it will be impossible for you to be added to a game without an RtJ.  Only the public parts of the game will, therefore, be visible.  The only thing postable in the game, prior to being added to it, would be a PM/RtJ directly to the GM.
cruinne
moderator, 6533 posts
what DO you do with
a drunken sailor?
Fri 29 Aug 2014
at 16:11

Re: Subscription option in the future?

Anyone who's so curious they can't stand it can make accounts and games on the beta site to test:  http://beta.rpol.net
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