God-Modding shenanigans!

Jokes aside I'm fine with it, I think we're still kinda planning in circles, so if you want to attempt to steer the boat (so to speak) I'm all for it

Yes, Oktar is having trouble hand waving to his partners ....

Thanks! Just let me know.

This situation is a first for me, and an unusual situation. I'm trying to research it, and I would like help figuring this one out.

Two players sandwiched 3 kobolds between them. The party went first, and killed one kobold. On their round, 2 kobolds remain in unthreatened squares.

They both flee past a player which will give the player AoO. Even if they tried to withdraw the player would get the AoO since they still had to pass through a threatened square. Instead of withdrawing, the kobolds chose to attack, and simply move after they missed.

Ok, so we establish that the player gets an attack of opportunity against both of them, but is this even possible since his crossbow is now empty.  He shot and missed, then it was the kobolds turn.

I see it as you can take an AoO on the kobolds as long as the player uses the crossbow like a club, or if he has quickdraw, he'd be allowed a weapon change and then get both AoO's.

But, if he does not have the quickdraw feat, he'd be allowed, as I stated, to swing the crossbow (at the risk of damaging it, though) like a club.

Is my way of thinking, right, and if not, can someone point me to the RAW documentation that explains what to do in this situation?

Thanks!
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:04, Wed 20 Nov 2019.

This is correct, according to my understanding of the rules, although I would apply penalties for using an improvised weapon.  Also, unless the character has a feat that permits more than one AoO per round, that character would get only one attack.

Also, I don't believe that Quick Draw allows drawing a weapon as an immediate action, and the character would also need to drop the crossbow as an immediate action, resulting in two immediate actions that round, which is usually a no-no, but could work cinematically.

This does not make sense. If they started in unthreatened squares, then they could not attack the players until they moved which if they did, then they could not move again after their attack.

Wow.  I missed that.  Good catch.  Still, if all three were sandwiched (possibly flanked?) between party members and only one was killed, what was happening on the other side of the group of kobolds, where there should have still been a character?

In reply to Mergim (msg # 28):

They threw spears. I should have mentioned that. There were no other players behind the character the kobolds moved past. The other players are nowhere in this area, just the two I mentioned. There wasn't a flank because there's a 5' space between these remaining kobolds after the players did their actions, and killed the rear kobold.


Player
5' square
Kobold
kobold
5' square
Player

The kobolds threw spears. The kobolds who were in unthreatened squares, then moved past the last player in the order above in which they moved through a square next to that player provoking the AoO by both fleeing kobolds.
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:53, Wed 20 Nov 2019.

In reply to Artifex (msg # 27):

I believe you're correct. Only one AoO as you described. Penalties too on using the crossbow improvised sounds right too. Scratch quick draw. I agree about that also.
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:51, Wed 20 Nov 2019.

Assuming that they start adjacent.


Quickdraw is a free action. Free actions can only be taken on your turn, so no on switching weapons.

Using the crossbow as an improvised weapon is really a DMs call. If you do allow it it would certainly be at -4 penalty for improvised weapon. It would do 1d4 damage and I would consider the crossbow to be Fragile. There would also be a special consideration if it was loaded.

In reply to Mergim (msg # 32):

Good copy. I agree.

Well it's turkey day, and soon the house will be filled with laughter, the smells of good cooking, the Macy's Day Parade, and the football game. If you're one of us who are celebrating this holiday, Happy Thanksgiving!

If you're not, well, I still hope you have a fantastic day!
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:15, Thu 28 Nov 2019.

& safe and warm

We're recruiting for Rise of the Runelords (Pathfinder) again!  We've lost a player, but the character lives on (or maybe not, if you have a good idea for a different character and a way to work that character into the current plot)!

And it looks like we're full again, in the Rise of the Runelords thread.

It's like playing whack-a-mole!  We're up!  We're down!  We're up again!

Once again, I'm recruiting for a spot in Rise of the Runelords.  This time, we'll be looking for a new 2nd-level Pathfinder character.

PM me and let me know if you're interested.

I have a conference I have to go to this weekend Dec. 6, 2019 - Dec. 9, 2019 in Cincinnati. I am getting ready for the trip the next couple of days, so my posting may be erratic. During the meet, I will try my best to update my games, but it may be hit or miss. Thanks for understanding.
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:53, Wed 04 Dec 2019.

Thanks for the heads-up, have a great time at the conference :)

Not a problem

Just to avoid cluttering the Runelords thread with OOC posts did we level up or are we still first level? Want to make sure my sheets all correct.

Given that I was told to make a level 2 character, I'm guessing you leveled up.

It's looking like I forgot to mark that we leveled up, so looks like a whole lot of double checking to do. Yay.
This message was last updated by the player at 02:44, Wed 18 Dec 2019.

Level 2

We hit level 2 twice!

Yeah, sorry about that.  The fact that I mentioned it twice is yet another indication that finely-detailed note taking is not my forte in this environment, thus the level announcement versus actually keeping track of XP.