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Default option for dice roller to choose primary character.

Posted by Xgamer4
bigbadron
moderator, 14500 posts
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but mostly he's Ron.
Mon 21 Jul 2014
at 13:09

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

In reply to DarkLightHitomi (msg # 10):

Er... did you read what I posted?

If it's going to be an optional on/off thing, and it seems like it will be, then I have absolutely zero problem with it.

The only time I would have a problem with it is if it was automatically on at all times, because that makes it too easy for me to forget to change it and accidentally roll for the wrong character.  I like to roll for the character that the roll belongs to, even if they're an NPC, because if I'm running a fight with a dozen NPCs, it makes it much easier for me to keep track of who rolled what.

quote:
Seriously, it is that much of problem to click the select user box

I could use exactly the same argument for people who want their default character automatically selected each time, couldn't I?  That they could just click the selection box every time.  However, I'm not going to, because I don't actually have any objection to what they're asking for, as long as it's optional.

quote:
This suggestion doesn't limit, hinder, or make options difficult, ever.

At one time the character you were posting as used to automatically default to your primary one, and people asked for that to be changed so that they wouldn't keep posting as the wrong character.  I guess they felt it was a problem the way they kept having to edit posts because they'd posted as the wrong character.  Same thing here.
This message was last edited by the user at 13:10, Mon 21 July 2014.
Joebobcool456
member, 9 posts
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Mon 21 Jul 2014
at 14:02
  • msg #12

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

I'm gonna agree with bbr here, it seems like it would be a nice option, but if it wasn't optional it would probably be annoying, especially for people who use their other character(s) almost as much as their 'primary'.
Skald
moderator, 554 posts
Whatever it is,
I'm against it
Mon 21 Jul 2014
at 14:06
  • msg #13

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

I LIKE to select which character I'm rolling for every single time.  Make it default and sure, it'll be right sometimes, but I figure I'm odds on to overlook it some of the time too and roll as the wrong person, and that's a pain to fix.

On the other hand, I don't mind at all default posting as primary character cos if I get that wrong it's easy to go and edit it.  Can edit posts, can't edit rolls (can only clear them).

So I'm a definite -1 to combining post and roll option for GMs.  +0 for both to be combined as an option to apply for players only though (I'm happy with/used to the way it works now and don't roll anywhere near as much as a player as I do as a GM).
DarkLightHitomi
member, 584 posts
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 09:50
  • msg #14

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

bigbadron:
... makes it too easy for me to forget to change it and accidentally roll for the wrong character. ...

How is this any different from what is currently the case?

quote:
quote:
Seriously, it is that much of problem to click the select user box

I could use exactly the same argument for people who want their default character automatically selected each time, couldn't I?


Actually, you can't use the same argument.

What is being asked for reduces the number of things that one has to do for many if not most rolls, while it doesn't change the number of things to do (or their difficulty) for your method of selecting a character everytime.

---------

I'm not sure why you think you have an increased chance of posting as the wrong character, but I admit that perhaps I am missing something (wouldn't be the first time), and if I am missing something, then that would naturally change the equation.
bigbadron
moderator, 14502 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 11:13

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

quote:
but I admit that perhaps I am missing something

Yes, in fact, you missed the part where I said that my concerns have been addressed, so I have no problem with this proposed change.  I honestly have no idea why you are still trying to persuade me that I am wrong to vote against it (when I am not doing so).

I'm also not entirely sure why you think you need to question me about my reasons for doing something that I'm not even doing.
Merevel
member, 498 posts
Gaming :-)
Very unlucky
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 19:05
  • msg #16

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

Might be for ethe same reason that people always think I am arguing with them, might have something to do with that...
Merevel to english dictionary anyone up for the task?
Maidenfine
member, 93 posts
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 19:50
  • msg #17

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

BBR, you are not imagining it. People always assume you mean something negative when you speak. There is just something about your word choice. I'm not sure what it is. But when I first started coming in here and participating, I did it too. So I know it happens. And one day I realized you weren't some grumpy old man always yelling at the young kids to get off his lawn. And now, I feel kinda bad admitting that I get some sort of weird enjoyment out of watching everyone react to you like that. After a while, it's a little comical, really. If I could figure out what it is about how you "speak," I'd tell you how to fix it. But I haven't figured it out.
Shannara
moderator, 3439 posts
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 19:54

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

Ron is probably the least grumpy of all the moderators ... well, except for Skald.

Darn whippersnappers!
bigbadron
moderator, 14503 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 20:08

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

In reply to Maidenfine (msg # 17):

I used to be terrified of cruinne.  :)
Utsukushi
member, 1314 posts
I should really stay out
of this, I know...but...
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 20:57
  • msg #20

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

Well, it's the brimstone, in'nit?

Skald is only scary when he's a cup of tea.
Shannara
moderator, 3440 posts
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 21:18

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

bigbadron:
I used to be terrified of cruinne.  :)


What do you mean, 'used to be'?
bigbadron
moderator, 14504 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 21:22

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

She's standing behind me, isn't she?
cruinne
moderator, 6453 posts
busy crossing the i's
and dotting the t's
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 21:31

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

*toe tap*

I think at least part of it is that Moderator Star.  Like it's a -5 Humor brooch.
This message was last edited by the user at 21:35, Tue 22 July 2014.
Merevel
member, 503 posts
Gaming :-)
Very unlucky
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 21:38
  • msg #24

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

Little off topic but, I think because I have the same issue as ron that I have been immune to the language barrier!
matthewfenn
member, 347 posts
www.nj-pbem.com
Northern Journey PBeM DM
Tue 22 Jul 2014
at 22:13
  • msg #25

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

For the record, I've never seen BBR as grumpy.  If anything, I'd say that the people who seem to react badly to him are usually the ones who have grabbed the wrong end of a stick...

No offence intended to any stick grabbers out there.  :-)
DarkLightHitomi
member, 587 posts
Wed 23 Jul 2014
at 05:37
  • msg #26

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

I wasn't trying to be negative, nor did I see BBR as negative. I just have absolutely no idea how this change would have the effect he said he was worried about, therefore, no idea why he would have the concern he does.

Perhaps I just try to hard to make myself clear, (but I find most people usually respond as though I said something other then what I said, which makes no sense to me.)
Joebobcool456
member, 10 posts
An Orange a day
could help in some way
Wed 23 Jul 2014
at 05:45
  • msg #27

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

People tend to see what they think will make them feel/sound better rather than what's actually there. (In other words, "Your statement is bad, and you should feel bad" mentality)
bigbadron
moderator, 14505 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Wed 23 Jul 2014
at 06:43

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

DarkLightHitomi:
therefore, no idea why he would have the concern he does.

Eh?  I thought I explained - I don't have any concern about this if it's optional, which it apparently will be.  So no concern whatsoever.
DarkLightHitomi
member, 590 posts
Wed 23 Jul 2014
at 15:57
  • msg #29

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

I kinda meant even it wasn't optional. If it wasn't optional and implemented across the board, I still don't see why it would be a problem that you don't already have.

A moot point now perhaps, but still, that is the point I don't get.
bigbadron
moderator, 14509 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Wed 23 Jul 2014
at 16:16

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

quote:
I still don't see why it would be a problem that you don't already have.

No, I get that.  Obviously we have different practices when using the site.

For me, rolling for each character individually with their own name (rather than all under the one GM name) having to remember to pick the correct name each time (without the reminder of being forced to do so) could cause extra work for me by forcing me to reroll with the correct name when I make a mistake.  Currently I open the roller, and can't use it until I've selected a name - which serves as a reminder to select the right one.

Anyway... moot.  No problem.
Utsukushi
member, 1315 posts
I should really stay out
of this, I know...but...
Wed 23 Jul 2014
at 16:18
  • msg #31

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

Currently, you have to choose, every time.  That's the thing people are complaining about, right?  But that means you always have to take a half-second to think about it.  If it were changed so that your Primary character were always automatically filled in, then a lot of people get into the habits of clicking through things faster and skipping the dropdown entirely, so then sometime when they mean to roll as a secondary character, they won't do that.

If I remember right, it used to be that everything defaulted to your Primary Character -- but GM's, especially, kept accidentally rolling or posting as themselves when they meant to do it as a Secret NPC or something, so it was changed so that you always had to check.  I mean, I make it sound like they were doing this all the time, and I'm sure they weren't, but you do that once, and poof!  Secret NPC is blown.  So it was a problem.

So I think that's why BBR wouldn't want it changed back to the Primary Character Default universally.  Because we already had problems with that.  At least, that's what I was thinking about bringing up, before I noticed in BBR's post that this is definitely only being talked about as an individual choice.

But if people are now having problems with having-to-choose-all-the-time... well, that suggests that this might be a good place for people to be able to set their own Preference.  Because apparently neither way is perfect as an absolute.
bigbadron
moderator, 14510 posts
He's big, he's bad,
but mostly he's Ron.
Wed 23 Jul 2014
at 16:21

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

In reply to Utsukushi (msg # 31):

Exactly.
DarkLightHitomi
member, 595 posts
Wed 23 Jul 2014
at 17:38
  • msg #33

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

Didn't even know it would force you to pick a name. I just figured it would it just post the roll without a name attached. Odd.

In any case, I would expect only GMs, with maybe a handful of exceptions, would need to deal with multiple characters. Thus most players would benefit, as they usually play a single character in a game.

Though personally, I just note what npc it is in the description since that is faster to use just one box instead of multiple, since I have to put down what the roll is for anyway so I can find it later.
Merevel
member, 515 posts
Gaming :-)
Very unlucky
Wed 23 Jul 2014
at 17:53
  • msg #34

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

I just took on 2 extra characters in a game, and thought about a third. So, in some ways I am so very glad I have to pick each time. But that is what options are for!
Xgamer4
member, 118 posts
I bring nothing
to the table
Thu 24 Jul 2014
at 01:08
  • msg #35

Re: Default option for dice roller to choose primary character

Well, the main reason I requested it is because I have more than just one character in a game and I can't just go into the dice roller and hit enter to roll. I'm running a game that requires some heavy dice rolling and anything that can be done to optimize that is greatly appreciated, but I also understand the want to have the ability to choose options, hence why I agree with Jase and Ron about including this as an option in the game preferences for players. If I want to post as my primary character by default, but also roll for them as an option, then that's even more in line with the optimization of what I have to do (ie. I spend less than a second to roll for a character and get to writing the post than having to spend 10-15 seconds using the mouse to select my character from the drop-down list, or 3-5 seconds using tab and type-ahead to select the right character, then tab over to a text field and hit enter).

All in the name of optimization is where I was headed with that request. I mean, there's a lot that I could request that would allow me to have full optimization of the game I'm running, but I highly HIGHLY doubt that would be made available to us (ie. direct post to the mysql database for a game, etc.)
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