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Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj.

Posted by DarkLightHitomi
PrettyBirdie1
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Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 14:38
  • msg #19

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

bigbadron:
In reply to adrasteia1 (msg # 14):

There is already an age statement button though.  If you set the game to Adult then, yes, you automatically need age statements.  :)


I think what adrasteia1 is referring to is once the game was marked adult, then in the RTJ there would be a "yes or no" option where you only had to click a button to say, yes, I'm an adult.

My own opinion on that would be that it might make it a little too easy to cheat - writing up the age statement is a little more effort, plus you have to put your birthdate in it.


In reply to Gaffer:

If the template was set up so that each individual GM could put what they want into a text box, then the preset wouldn't be an issue, and as for not knowing until you click, I think most GMs would still have the thread, and even if they didn't then you could simply back out of that page if you didn't wish to do the application after reading over it.
jase
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Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 15:01
  • msg #20

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

How about a RTJ message that sits above the compose screen, rather than a template?
PrettyBirdie1
member, 131 posts
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Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 15:09
  • msg #21

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

I think that might work for ease of writing, so long as there was nothing that needed to be copy/pasted.
Brygun
member, 1820 posts
RPG since 1982
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Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 15:26
  • msg #22

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

jase:
How about a RTJ message that sits above the compose screen, rather than a template?


Im fine with that

Player may have questions/ideas etc that don't fit a template.

If someone doesn't do at least a little work they probably wouldn't work out anyway.




Though honestly... I just open up two tabs in the browser. fine for desktops not so fine for handhelds.
This message was last edited by the user at 15:29, Thu 31 Oct 2013.
adrasteia1
member, 1424 posts
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Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 15:41
  • msg #23

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

In reply to BBR & PrettyBirdie1:

I meant what PrettyBirdie was suggesting. Maybe a message window that says 'I, username, am __ years of age and able to view adult material in my place of residence', that they can then click yes or no on.

If you wanted to, you could have that and leave the 'age' field blank, or one for a birthdate, so the person is required to enter it. That way it would require a bit more effort than saying yes or no, but it would also be more streamlined for GMs than hunting down the correct wording and checking each person has made their age statement in the right way (which sometimes needs correcting). This would also allow for searchability and comparison on the database, so you could automatically check that the details match when the person sends in the form.

I'm not really sure what I think about RTJ templates. Maybe have some optional sections on it, that a GM can choose by clicking checkboxes? Then a GM could perhaps personalise them, so that when a player goes to fill out the RTJ form, they get a tailored version? If that's a bit too complex, then maybe just the means to tailor sections would be really useful.
This message was last edited by the user at 15:43, Thu 31 Oct 2013.
DarkLightHitomi
member, 266 posts
Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 19:31
  • msg #24

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

Showing a message is what I was trying to suggest, perhaps even the op message from the rtj thread.

As for age statements, I agree with writing them rather then checking a box. Checking a box can easily become something done without thought, writing a complete is not. Also only age OR dob is required, and I dont give my dob on the web, so I will only give age, if the gm doesnt like it she can always say no. As far as I know when I last check the rules, the exact wording has flexibility to it as long as the required age is presented as being above the limit for their region and higher then 18 or the ability to determine age( aka dob) as being such.

As for rtj templates, I would not want a template, because sometimes I want to ask the gm questions before deciding whether to actually try to join.
This message was last edited by the user at 19:34, Thu 31 Oct 2013.
PrettyBirdie1
member, 132 posts
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Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 19:36
  • msg #25

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

I think the suggestion of a template was meant to be not a "fill-in-the-blank" but rather, text that is automatically placed into the box. Just like the:

quote:
In reply to DarkLightHitomi (msg # 24):

There would be:

quote:
RTJ:

Name:

Age:

Etc...

DarkLightHitomi
member, 267 posts
Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 19:56
  • msg #26

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

Perhaps, but the rtj treads arent always like that, sometimes they include limits, or lists, etc, things there are not always "fill in the blank" and displaying the op post of the rtj thread makes it easy on the gm, since they just write all once, check the box that it is the rtj, then done.
PrettyBirdie1
member, 133 posts
Bird-brained
bird lover.
Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 23:10
  • msg #27

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

Right. In the same way you can put whatever you want beneath the "reply to" you could put whatever you wanted, even deleting words they said. It would be like just regular text within the box you type in. Not fill in the blank.
Evil Empryss
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Thu 31 Oct 2013
at 23:16
  • msg #28

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

In reply to PrettyBirdie1 (msg # 27):

Not to mention being able to remind people joining adult games right there what the exact verbiage of the age statement should be.  I've had to kick enough of them back even when the RTJ thread specifically states what it should be that this would be a good indicator to me if I wanted someone in the game.  Making a mistake when going from a thread to the RTJ is one thing; not being able to copy something sitting right in front of them would be a deal breaker for joining.
Skald
moderator, 476 posts
Whatever it is,
I'm against it
Fri 1 Nov 2013
at 06:49
  • msg #29

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

jase:
How about a RTJ message that sits above the compose screen, rather than a template?

Perfick! Same functionality as a template and/or makes it easier for users to copy and paste if needed (eg an age state,emt for adult).

Also if the GM puts all the RTJ info into that message, it solves a (admittedly very minor) problem with RTJs either falling off the bottom of the thread count, or taking up space at the top if tagged as a Notice. If all goes according to plan, then hopefully GMs won't be recruiting too often/existing players don't need to see that RTJ info any more.

Prospective players just click on RTJ to see the requirements above the compose screen ... which is better than clicking to open an RTJ thread cos you're already in the compose screen if you do decide the game is for you.

And of course, if the GM doesn't want to change, they don't need to populate the RTJ message, they just continue on as is (assumedly with an RTJ thread in their game).

I like ! :>
Claire Redfield
member, 225 posts
Author, game designer
Part-time zombie fighter
Thu 19 Jun 2014
at 05:15
  • msg #30

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

This seemed like a really useful little feature. Have you thought any more about possibly implementing it sometime in the future?
steelsmiter
member, 931 posts
GURPS, FFd6, Pathfinder
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Thu 19 Jun 2014
at 05:38
  • msg #31

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

jase:
My only concern with a template is the potential to annoy those who aren't actually doing a RTJ, which I'm sure does happen!

Maybe it does, but if they're not RTJing to my game (or at least putting my age statement out in their first post) I probably won't be answering many questions. If I need to ask any questions myself, I'd rather delete the autofill than I would to deal with copy pasta and having multiple tabs up, any of which could decide randomly to timeout at random. I often have a blank page when I have to copy crap.
bigbadron
moderator, 14433 posts
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Thu 19 Jun 2014
at 05:49

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

-1 to an annoying template.

+1 for a message that sits above compose screen.
jase
admin, 3358 posts
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Fri 20 Jun 2014
at 02:04

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

Thought I did this ages ago!

It's been added to the beta site for testing.
steelsmiter
member, 936 posts
GURPS, FFd6, Pathfinder
NO FREEFORM!
Fri 20 Jun 2014
at 02:26
  • msg #34

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

bigbadron:
-1 to an annoying template.

+1 for a message that sits above compose screen.

I'd +1 for a message that sits above the compose screen, Although I would personally like the option to add it as a quote if for no reason than to preserve formatting.
This message was last edited by the user at 02:27, Fri 20 June 2014.
LoreGuard
member, 534 posts
Fri 20 Jun 2014
at 03:23
  • msg #35

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

Question... will this RTJ text be available 'after' completing the RTJ and having been added to the game?  [if you wanted to go back and re-read something?  (such as being able to have a link to display it in the Game Information page. or even having it displayed for players underneath the Game Introduction page for players.

You could potentially have it display in a box under the introduction in two cases.  (one the player is in the game already, or the second instance would be if the Requesting Players flag is set on, then anyone (not banned) would see it below the introduction.  (And yes, obviously, it would also appear above the post where a non-added member starts a RTJ message thread.)
Tileira
member, 372 posts
Fri 1 Aug 2014
at 11:53
  • msg #36

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

+1 for a message that sits above compose screen.


For people saying "but I want to know before I click RTJ":
Firstly, if you don't like the requirements when the RTJ shows them, you're not committed to submitting the RTJ. You can walk away.
Secondly, GMs are not likely to miss out creating a public thread about what they want from players. An RTJ thread will likely contain more information for you, and the RTJ message box just the information the GM wants you to give.
I foresee more people failing to use the feature than those failing to create a public thread about how to apply.
Mad Mick
member, 755 posts
To fat cups of sweet tea
I'm giving much love
Fri 1 Aug 2014
at 13:07
  • msg #37

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

jase:
Thought I did this ages ago!

It's been added to the beta site for testing.


Spiffy!  I like the idea of the message above the composing screen rather than a pre-generated post.
Eggy
member, 344 posts
Fri 1 Aug 2014
at 13:16
  • msg #38

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

-1

DarkLightHitomi:
Except I cant C&P at all. Though my device is old, but still.

I have a super old, Nokia brick style phone. I can't c/p or use the dice roller or do much else besides read and write posts.

I wouldn't use this feature on my old phone because the screen is small. It would be have to be like a form with entry blanks. Posting on RPOL with my phone is tedious enough.

If this feature were available for iPads and laptops, I probably still would skip it. It would be easier to c/p and write at my leisure with lots of screen space.

When I'm gaming with my phone and I find a game that I must join, then I make time to get online with a computer.
DarkLightHitomi
member, 625 posts
Fri 1 Aug 2014
at 14:09
  • msg #39

Re: Show rtj requirements when writing the rtj

In reply to Eggy (msg # 38):

Okay, so why a -1 and not 0?
This message was last updated by a moderator, as it was moot, at 19:25, Fri 01 Aug 2014.
Eggy
member, 345 posts
Fri 1 Aug 2014
at 16:46
  • [deleted]
  • msg #40

rtj pop up

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DarkLightHitomi
member, 626 posts
Fri 1 Aug 2014
at 18:22
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  • msg #41

Re: rtj pop up

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steelsmiter
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Fri 1 Aug 2014
at 19:07
  • [deleted]
  • msg #42

Re: rtj pop up

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cruinne
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Fri 1 Aug 2014
at 19:15
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  • msg #43

Re: rtj pop up

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