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(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability.

Posted by V_V
V_V
member, 585 posts
You can call me V, just V
Life; a journey made once
Sun 21 May 2017
at 17:46
  • msg #1

(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability

I'm trying to make a character for a game that has no gods but instead divine sparks for the PCs. As such they have some divine "ability" as a blessing or boon. So we all have top have something that manifests as that.

I'd like to have divine grace, but not a paladin (or variant thereof). For the gritty tone of the game, I would like to be neutral rather than good, and certainly not restricted from performing the occasional evil act.

So is there any PrC that a fighter or monk could take that gives charisma to all saves. The Lawful neutral version of paladin would be perfect...but another PC is chaotic and there should be no outright conflict. So no version of paladin will work.

I'm also fairly certain I want to either be a monk or fighter for other more important reasons. Maybe not the most mechanically sound choice, but I still want to.

TL;DR: Is there a Lawful Neutral PrC that gives cha mod to all saves? It can't have code of conduct against evil or chaos either.
This message was last updated by a moderator, as it was the wrong forum, at 15:34, Tue 23 May 2017.
Flint_A
member, 587 posts
Sun 21 May 2017
at 18:35
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(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability

Unearthed Arcana has CG and CE paladins too, they both get divine grace.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/vari...mSlaughterAndTyranny
meschlum
member, 177 posts
Mon 22 May 2017
at 04:13
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(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability

Some actually did a lot of the searching on this topic for you... long live the internet!

http://www.giantitp.com/forums...-x-X-stat-to-Y-bonus

Seems to be up to date as of June 2016, and is for D&D 3.5, not Pathfinder. Pathfinder has feats and spells to do this, so...
V_V
member, 586 posts
You can call me V, just V
Life; a journey made once
Mon 22 May 2017
at 08:43
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(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability

My face to face group is stodgy and won't even touch Pathfinder until it's officially at the end of print and on fire sale. <_<... *_*...>_>...-_-...*sigh* I have four books for it gathering dust.

I thank you for the list though! I had googled for it, but failed my research roll. This is indeed quite definitive list. *hands over brownie points sprinkled with thank you's*
meschlum
member, 178 posts
Tue 23 May 2017
at 06:10
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(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability

Happy to help!

If price is the issue, the Pathfinder SRD is quite complete and free (http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ or http://www.d20pfsrd.com/), which is a price that is rather hard to beat. You can also check http://www.archivesofnethys.com/Default.aspx, which has a bit more text at times, and tends to keep up with official sources faster than the Paizo site.
V_V
member, 587 posts
You can call me V, just V
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Tue 23 May 2017
at 14:14
  • msg #6

(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability

Off topic, but hopefully tolerable by the mods. If not, sorry :s

Yeah, I very much adore the SRD for Pathfinder. It took the WotC 3.5 and upped the ante, way up! Believe me I told them that, but the thing is we play away fromthe computer. We're rules lawyers (and like to be with each other) so books are always open by the table. The caveat to get them to even consider it, is to print EVERYTHING. And that's pointless. I'd be better to just buy the books. The group is stodgy. They're fun as heck, but are quite prickly. They'll buy a new electronic device but not game books *sighs and shrugs*

The list you gave me is good, but sadly I'm looking through each of them, slowly, and coming up with frequently conditional save bonuses. For instance; Defiant, Hexblade and Hunter of the dead are only against: divine spells, arcane spells, and undead; respectively. Divine grace is universal. Even if one paladin is casting a zone of truth on the other, the save bonus applies. So I'm back to vetting every class, which sort of puts me back to square one. I don't really want to have to dig through the books constantly. The list is great!...but not for this case. It's just too exhaustive to go without further examination.

I ended up doing a paladin (generic PHB) and within the second session I tortured someone (oops!) The GM agreed that the class wasn't a fit and is letting me just retroactively change my class, but right now I'm without something I really need, which is the divine grace. Thematically I now have a divine "spark", but it's a crappy one mechanically.

So I'm still in search of a divine grace PrC that isn't "code of conduct" bound. It may not exist, and if it doesn't I'll keep what I have or take Hexblade, Defiant or
Hunter of the Dead.

If anyone knows, right away, a class (LG [not LN] applicable) that doesn't have code of conduct, let me know.

One of the other players in the game recommended Grayguard, and that's great, but requires way too much commitment. That may be only way to have my cake and eat it too, but I was only getting divine grace because a.) my saves otherwise suck and b.) we all have to have a divine "spark"

Right now I have Legendary Leader, which required only one feat change and a three level dip that will eventually be completed if I keep the class.

My highest stat is Charisma, so divine grace seemed a naturally first choice. If there's a save bonus class feature of class that gives an unconditional save bonus to all saves I'll take that too. After all, I'm using a flat +2 luck bonus right with LL.

I'd rather have a more narrowed down list though. After doing a huge purge of a hundred page campaign write up, I'm not keen on doing research. Which is, sadly, why I'm hoping someone here can just tell me. I know, I'm lazy, but reading more than a page of a book makes me literally queasy r/n.

Thanks!
Flint_A
member, 588 posts
Wed 24 May 2017
at 00:16
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(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability

I'm going to repeat my suggestion. A Paladin of Freedom (CG) is, as the name suggests, "freer" than a regular paladin. Or you can go full on Paladin of Slaughter (CE), whose code of conduct basically boils down to "be an ass".

Gray Guard is pretty cool too, it's the best way to be LG and still get away with torture.
ricosuave
member, 134 posts
Wed 24 May 2017
at 14:12
  • msg #8

(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability

The Corrupt Avenger PrC from heroes of horror gets Cha to saves at level 3.
 requires a Base attack of +6 and a non-evil alignment. So you could totally do that as a LN character.

Witch Hunter PrC from Oriental Adventures gets Cha to saves at 1st level.
 requires a base attack of +5, ability to cast magic circle vs evil and non-evil alignment. again, you can totally do that as a LN character

I think they both were mentioned earlier though I did not fully read all the previous posts.
This message was last edited by the user at 14:55, Wed 24 May 2017.
Cygnia
member, 272 posts
Amoral Paladin
Wed 24 May 2017
at 14:41
  • msg #9

(D&D 3.5) LN PrCs with divine-grace-LIKE ability

There's always Force of Personality from Complete Adventurer (pg109)

"Prerequ: CHA 13,

Benefit

You add your Charisma modifier (instead of your Wisdom modifier) to Will saves against mind-affecting spells and abilities."
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