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No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

Posted by RedTeamPyro
RedTeamPyro
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Idon'tknowwhattoputhere
Fri 2 Sep 2016
at 20:07
  • msg #9

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

To add image specification to what i'm looking for, think this. Stuff like that.

https://i.gyazo.com/b9a7c1db1b...6f3665e6ebbb20b2.png

*EDIT*

Looks like that doesn't work here
This message was last edited by the user at 21:05, Fri 02 Sept 2016.
bigbadron
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Fri 2 Sep 2016
at 20:25

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

In reply to RedTeamPyro (msg # 9):

No, images can not be posted in public forums.
Lxndr
member, 141 posts
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Fri 2 Sep 2016
at 20:37
  • msg #11

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

RedTeamPyro
member, 116 posts
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Idon'tknowwhattoputhere
Fri 2 Sep 2016
at 21:12
  • msg #12

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

@bigbadron
Huh, alright. That's understandable.

@Lxndr

Judging by what i could get appearance-wise and through a search, not even close. This is a good image to refer to what i'm looking for.

https://i.gyazo.com/121dc37ebe...4feb8989b50be916.png
This message was last edited by the user at 21:16, Fri 02 Sept 2016.
DarkTraveller
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Fri 2 Sep 2016
at 21:16
  • msg #13

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

D&D (various editions) have the Yuan-Ti who can have legs but are mostly just giant serpents with arms.
RedTeamPyro
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Idon'tknowwhattoputhere
Fri 2 Sep 2016
at 21:33
  • msg #14

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

Oh, awesome. Thanks dude.
RedTeamPyro
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Idon'tknowwhattoputhere
Fri 2 Sep 2016
at 21:39
  • msg #15

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

Did a little reading about them.

Now for the harder part; finding someone who'd tolerate a Yuan-Ti in their game.
Lord_Johnny
member, 146 posts
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 01:14
  • msg #16

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

Idk how many would let one into their group, but I could see a game where the party was doing a evil campaign of them. That could be doable, I'd think.
RedTeamPyro
member, 120 posts
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Idon'tknowwhattoputhere
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 02:31
  • msg #17

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

I was planning on using him for a naval campaign. Pirate stuff. Think he could be chaotic neutral?
Flint_A
member, 535 posts
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 09:54
  • msg #18

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

D&D also has Nagas, including Water Nagas.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/naga.htm#waterNaga

However, they don't even have an LA, which means they were never intended to be played. Any DM allowing it would have to make adjustments. (Bit too strong for it to really have +0 LA.)

Lamia Nobles (NOT regular Lamias) are also snake-like, but I seem to have displaced my books and they're not in the SRD. Pretty sure those are also evil though.

In Savage Species there is a template to turn any animal anthropomorphic, you could play an actual snake turned human. Do note that Savage Species is sort of "3.25", stuck between the two editions, so may require a little fixing.

Serpent Kingdoms apparently has (I read so, don't remember) a Replacement Tail graft, which replaces your legs with a huge snake tail. Kind of a poor man's version. (Not a literal poor man though, it's costly.)

Also I hear PF Merfolk have a "strongtail" version, which is slightly less fish-like and more snake-like. Still lame though.



That said, although most of these are "evil", this is D&D. There can certainly be exceptions. *cough* Drizzt *cough* You want to convince a DM to let you play one of these, try to find one who reads the webcomic Goblins.

SPOILER:

There's a really nice female Yuan-Ti. Smart too.
Lord_Johnny
member, 149 posts
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 13:00
  • msg #19

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

The rules I remember for level adjustment are that you take the racial hit dice, add any class levels, and that is your adjusted level. As I don't know how many RHD a naga has off the top of my head, I will use Drow for my example.
Drow have 3 RHD. So, a Drow with 1 level in Rogue, for example, would have 3 levels from race, and then 1 from Rogue. That would make an effective 4th level character.

You'd just do the same thing for the Naga pirate. How many RHD, and then the levels of whatever it is that your naga has taken levels in, and walla. That's your character level.
This message was last edited by the user at 13:01, Sat 03 Sept 2016.
Flint_A
member, 536 posts
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 14:36
  • msg #20

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

In reply to Lord_Johnny (msg # 19):

I don't know how it is in PF, but that's certainly wrong in 3.5.

Racial HD and Level Adjustment are two different things and a race can have one, both, or neither.

For example, 3.5 drows actually have +2 LA but no racial HD. (Well, technically they have 1. But humanoids with 1 racial HD lose it when they take class levels.)

So a Drow with 1 level of Rogue would be ECL 3, but still have 1 HD. Level Adjustment does not add HD.

As a different example, a Minotaur has 6 Racial HD and +2 LA. If it takes 1 level of Fighter, then it's ECL 9 but it has 7 HD.

A Dwarf has 1 racial HD (which is lost when it takes class levels) and +0 LA. So with 1 class level it is ECL 1 and has 1 HD.

ECL does absolutely nothing except for calculating how much xp you get and which encounters are appropriate for you. All game mechanics such as spells use HD.

The Nagas have LA "-" rather than "+0". This means they were not meant to be played. This doesn't mean they CAN'T be played, but the DM needs to make a judgement. I THINK I read guidelines somewhere, though I have no idea where or what they were. Perhaps Savage Species, perhaps somewhere in the SRD and perhaps some article on the Wizards website. Still, I'm pretty sure those were guidelines, not rules.

As a DM, I would say that giving a player a Naga at +0 LA is a little overpowered as they can cast spells as a sorcerer of the same level and have decent stats and defensive bonuses. Maybe a +1 or +2, nothing huge.
This message was last edited by the user at 14:38, Sat 03 Sept 2016.
swordchucks
member, 1297 posts
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 14:51
  • msg #21

Re: No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

Flint_A:
I don't know how it is in PF, but that's certainly wrong in 3.5.

Pathfinder has much simplified rules that equate CR to starting level and then grants the monster a "bonus level" every three levels the rest of the party earns.  Given my 3.x experience, I think this is actually a superior way to handle it, at least for the low-mid CRs.  Racial hit dice are occasionally awesome, but usually are terrible.

Now that I think about it... if you want a "has a snake tail naga" race, there was a d20 Warcraft game and a d20 version of Legend of the Five Rings.  Both settings include naga that are as you describe, though I can't vouch for whether the rules contain those as playable races or not.
Egleris
member, 152 posts
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 15:16
  • msg #22

Re: No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)


In terms of Pathfinder, the closest thing to half-snake characters would be the Serpentfolk; they're a major part of Golarion lore, just google "pathfinder serpentfolk" and you can get a dozen or so of images for the different named characters of that species. Problem is, they're actually a CR 4 monster race (with SR, spell-like abilities which scale with character level, innate telepathy, stat modifiers on the order of +6 to each rolled stat, and more), so it'd be really GM dependent if they'd want to allow one of them in their game. On the plus side, they have specialized feats and other such stuff which can be found on the d20pfsrd.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...ry2/serpentfolk.html

The other main type, as people have said, is the d&d 3.5 Yuan-Ti (also easy to get lot of images for just by writing that into google), but that's an even stronger monster type. Still, being 3.5, there's plenty of variants for it, so finding one that would be acceptable by a GM as a player race should be easy - it's just a matter of shifting through all the variants to find one that's good for the game one has in mind.
This message was last edited by the user at 15:17, Sat 03 Sept 2016.
RedTeamPyro
member, 123 posts
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Idon'tknowwhattoputhere
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 15:24
  • msg #23

Re: No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

So, I assume 3.5 is the recommended edition for a Yuan-Ti? Hm. Anyone got a PDF of the 3.5 handbook?
swordchucks
member, 1298 posts
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 15:30
  • msg #24

Re: No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

RedTeamPyro:
Anyone got a PDF of the 3.5 handbook?

It's available through the dmsguild website that WotC has.  http://www.dmsguild.com/produc..._45381_0_0_45348_0_0

There's also the free SRD if you're looking for free.  http://www.d20srd.org/
RedTeamPyro
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Idon'tknowwhattoputhere
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 15:32
  • msg #25

Re: No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

Alright, thanks
Flint_A
member, 537 posts
Sat 3 Sep 2016
at 15:56
  • msg #26

Re: No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

I can vouch that the d20 WarCraft material is pretty much usable directly in 3.5, more or less.
jsalt87
member, 320 posts
Mon 5 Sep 2016
at 21:08
  • msg #27

Re: No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

One major problem with looking for the Yuan-Ti is that they, along with Beholders and Illihids (and possibly other monsters), are considered intellectual property. As such, you won't find them on the SRD.

Most 'snakelike' races that were made for players are humanoid, unfortunately. There seems to be a general consensus among game developers that if it isn't humanoid in shape, it's a 'monster'. And while rules exist for playing monsters, they tend to be difficult, anti-intuitive, and hard to convince a GM to use. In 3.X in particular, they almost always are shackled with racial hit dice, which take the place of class levels. And since racial hit dice rarely grant things on par with class abilities, this means you'll find yourself a little behind a 'humanoid' character.
RedTeamPyro
member, 132 posts
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Idon'tknowwhattoputhere
Tue 6 Sep 2016
at 00:39
  • msg #28

Re: No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

Well, even if i'm accepted into a game, it's likely that it won't be a "normal" one. There will probably be modifications in order to suit a character such as that i'd like to use. There's usually alternatives or ways to make things work, right?
Lord_Johnny
member, 153 posts
Tue 6 Sep 2016
at 02:21
  • msg #29

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

In reply to Flint_A (msg # 20):

That's certainly not wrong for 3.5. I recently looked it up for a game here on RPOL for a game featuring Drow, and that is almost a word for word recounting of what the book said.
willvr
member, 966 posts
Tue 6 Sep 2016
at 05:25
  • msg #30

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

Except Drow don't -have- racial hit dice. LA does not add to hit dice; but if a monster has racial hit dice, you have to add that as well as LA before you start your class. The hit die a Drow has in the Monster Manual is due to an assumed Warrior class.
Flint_A
member, 551 posts
Tue 6 Sep 2016
at 09:43
  • msg #31

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

They're in the SRD, you can just look at it. They do not have racial HD.
Lord_Johnny
member, 155 posts
Tue 6 Sep 2016
at 21:47
  • msg #32

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

In reply to willvr (msg # 30):

RHD do however effect the EL of the monster, and additionally, Drow count have 3RHD. Like I said, I just pulled things right out of the book.
Flint_A
member, 555 posts
Tue 6 Sep 2016
at 22:17
  • msg #33

No snek race? (D&d, pathfinder, etc)

Which book is this? I have the Monster Manual in front of me (where the SRD draws from) and it says +2 LA, no racial HD. There is even an example of 1st level drow with 1d8 HP. (Which, again, you can see in the SRD. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/elf.htm )

Are you perhaps looking at Pathfinder?
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