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Warhammer 40k emperor question.

Posted by kelbris
kelbris
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Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 14:12
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Warhammer 40k emperor question

Hi, I remember reading on a site (think it was tvtropes, not too sure) that if the emperor is killed then the warp would more-or-less merge with regular space creating a neverending hell for all life, not sure whether it was referring to regular 40k, dark heresy or some other ruleset.  Can anyone confirm/deny this or tell me which rule set it is in/a link to something that mentions it?  thanks, mainly asking since I am going to make a Dark Heresy game where you be Chaos instead of Space Marines and it would be good to know if this is the case so I can use that as the ultimate goal.
This message was last updated by a moderator, as it was the wrong forum, at 14:31, Tue 12 Aug 2014.
Arbentur
member, 83 posts
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 14:15
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

There is no set 'rule' with that happening, just like there is no 'rule' that says it can't.

What happens to the galaxy when the Emperor finally gives up the body is something for the GM to decide.
kelbris
member, 3 posts
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 14:20
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

ah k, then I guess the page was wrong.  Would still like to know the page that mentioned it though, just to find out which edition it mentioned.  Pretty sure it was 5th.
Nurgles_Rot
member, 40 posts
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 14:22
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

that also depends on which version of the Emperor you follow. There are a few good theories about him.
Arbentur
member, 84 posts
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 14:24
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

Not so much wrong as it's just one of many theories as to what will happen.  I don't know what site had that idea though so can't help you there.
kelbris
member, 4 posts
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 14:27
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

I know the site but not the exact page, the site was tvtropes and I remember clicking on the tabletop section in an article and it mentioned something about 5th edition (fairly sure) and that the emperor dying would cause the warp to overtake regular space allowing the demons etc to come in full force everywhere (more or less a Chaos wins-Necrons and everyone else screwed ending).
Nurgles_Rot
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Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 14:29
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

That's what the Imperium has spread as the rumor that's what they are using to allow them to sacrifice people to keep the Corpse God *ahem* Emperor "alive"
SorcerousSoul
member, 79 posts
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 15:06
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

Alternatively, there's the "Starchild" theory... That his death will allow his rebirth and usher in a new golden age for humanity.

So mixed bag, really?
Prowler.Jeff
member, 75 posts
Tue 12 Aug 2014
at 15:26
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

kelbris:
not sure whether it was referring to regular 40k, dark heresy or some other ruleset.


Don't forget that 40k Tabletop, Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Deathwatch, and Black Crusade are all technically the same as far as canon goes, even though the mechanics of each system might differ slightly.

And just to throw out another potential idea, the Cult of Eight believe that the God-Emperor is the next 'undiscovered' Chaos god (there are supposed to be 8 overall although only Khorne, Tzeench, Nurgle, and Slaneesh are 'known' at the moment).  I've seen this used to great effect as storyline from any of the systems.
TheBaron
member, 18 posts
Wed 13 Aug 2014
at 00:10
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

kelbris:
Hi, I remember reading on a site (think it was tvtropes, not too sure) that if the emperor is killed then the warp would more-or-less merge with regular space creating a neverending hell for all life, not sure whether it was referring to regular 40k, dark heresy or some other ruleset.  Can anyone confirm/deny this or tell me which rule set it is in/a link to something that mentions it?  thanks, mainly asking since I am going to make a Dark Heresy game where you be Chaos instead of Space Marines and it would be good to know if this is the case so I can use that as the ultimate goal.


Realms of Chaos (first book Gamesworkshop ever published about Cbaos) and the Draco series by Ian Watson deal with this. That is only partially true. Remember the Eldar Rhanda Dandra(sp?) which is the end times?

As is canon from Realms of Chaos to the Horus Heresy (Visions of Heresy, the book series with background released pre-novels), the Emperor gave up all positive feelings and warp energies so he could ruthlessly murder Horus. He saw his son was still alive in the husk that all four Chaos Gods possessed and therefore his humanity would not let him strike him down. Thus he cast his humanity out where it lies in the Warp (Gav Thorp's whole Thorian sect he launched to get rid of the Star Child was basically this FYI). When the Emperor dies he reunites with his humanity and becomes whole for the first time in ten thousand years. He then reincarnates and unites the Empire for one last strike at Chaos. In the meantime Chaos spills over since the Emperor's death causes anarchy to erupt and they marshal everything they have. The Eldar join humanity, the Laughing God (also known as the Black Library, he is the forbidden craftworld) leaves the webway to join battle, and the Chaos Gods walk amongst us. Tzeencht rages since he could not prevent that which he has been trying (Barrington's Eye of Terror deals with the fact tjat Tzeencht is actively trying to have the Emperor not die while still trying to win minor victories seeing as how this is the end for him).

As for the result of this final battle... nobody knows! The Eldar have seen that they are fated to die. Therefore there is no more history for them to see. There's also a bit of this in Xenology with a tablet showing a child born amongst the stars coming from the warp to attack Chaos itself.

So, anymore questions? :P

::EDIT::

Also, apologies for spelling mistakes, typing this on my mobile.
This message was last edited by the user at 00:15, Wed 13 Aug 2014.
Godzfirefly
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Wed 13 Aug 2014
at 00:18
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

In reply to TheBaron (msg # 10):

Then, the Tyranids swarm in and eat everything, right?  :-D
TheBaron
member, 19 posts
Wed 13 Aug 2014
at 01:50
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

In reply to Godzfirefly (msg # 11):

Hehe, actually Godzfirefly, there's an old, old short story that dealt with the Nids. A Mechanicus who finds out he's a latent psyker makes contact with the Hive Mind and lives to tell the tale (mainly because his mind isn't entirely organic, being a Mechanicus). Well, makes contact is a strong word, that would imply that it recognizes humans as equals. More he skims its thoughts.

Basically, the Tyranids evolved from insectoid hive creatures that evolved the ability to take on others' genetics ala the Kroot. The big difference being that, unlike the Kroot, they gained total control over their genetic makeup and because of this lost the ability to spontaneously generate new traits all together. Therefore they were forced to continually hunt to continue their evolution. After consuming their birth planet, they had to look to the stars.

The goal of the Tyranids isn't to eat everything per say, just about oh... 99.9999999% of all organic things in the entire galaxy :P. They leave something behind so that new life can spring up from the galaxy. Then, after natural selection has caused alpha predators on a galactic scale to rise up, they go back and harvest almost everything all over again.

The way the Mechanicus-psyker put it, their species' whole mantra is: Survive! And Survive Forever!.
kelbris
member, 5 posts
Wed 13 Aug 2014
at 02:03
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

thanks, now I know where the idea originated more-or-less I have ideas for the half-way boss of the campaign and the final boss (since I am doing a campaign where Chaos will WIN outright), gonna have the half-way boss be the emperor's humanity (eliminate it stopping him from becoming whole) and have the final boss being a 2 parter (the emperor in the material plane and again in the warp to DESTROY HIM!!!  Then we will have a short final series of battles that ends with the warp overtaking regular space and CONQUERING EVERYTHING!!! MWAHAHAHA
Pawl
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Wed 17 Sep 2014
at 22:46
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

I don't play none of games more,however I do enjoy the story's still. This thread was a very good read .thank you every that put in there words I have in joy this! Even though I didn't ask the question!
Patsup
member, 31 posts
Thu 18 Sep 2014
at 06:30
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

What would happen if the Emperor somehow died would not be Warp gushing out to the universe but more Imperium will be doomed.

Without Emperor there wouldn't be an Astronomicon. Without the Astronomicon there would be no Warp travel for the Imperium. Each and every segmentum and sector would be doomed.

On the other hand, the Tyranid threat would be more or less over as the Hive Fleets are following the Astronomicon to get to the Galaxy.

With the Imperium out of the picture, as more or less everyone could guess, the Orks would dominate the galaxy.
EmeraldDragon
member, 436 posts
Sanity is a Lie
Blessed are the Awaken.
Sun 28 Sep 2014
at 05:15
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

I would say the Tau would become the next major power... The Orks would rule during the power vacuum, but they are too disorganized to do so without breaking into infighting.

The Tau however can travel great distances without the warp and are focused on building an empire that is very organised.

As for the Tyranids... I wouldn't say the threat would be OVER persay as slowed down. They may take advantage of the Astronomicon, but they came from another galaxy, so clearly they can travel though the warp WITHOUT the guidence of the Emporer of man, even if it is likely slower and more random.
Patsup
member, 32 posts
Sun 28 Sep 2014
at 20:50
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Re: Warhammer 40k emperor question

The balance of 40k universe is that, even though it is chaos and conflict and war, the Imperium somehow manages to keep the balance of power intact. Take anyone off that equation and suddenly things change so much that even the "Jokaero would rule the galaxy" wouldn't be much of a stretch.

So yeah, Tau can do well as well. But still, my money is on the Orks. If they somehow manage to win the Octarius War against the Hive Fleet Leviathan thanks to Kryptman, that would be a sight to see.
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