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Vents with allowed responses - 2.

Posted by ShadoPrism
Shannara
moderator, 3556 posts
Whatever you do,
DON'T PANIC!
Tue 30 Jun 2015
at 00:38
  • msg #985

Re: The Joys of a New (Adult) Cat

Yes.  We don't allow linking to money-making enterprises in RPoL public forums.  The place to make comments is where it happened.

Sorry that this happened to you, CrazyIvan.
OceanLake
member, 906 posts
Tue 30 Jun 2015
at 00:50
  • msg #986

Re: The Joys of a New (Adult) Cat

This is fraud; the ex-friend is a criminal who should be brought to the attention of the police.
Utsukushi
member, 1346 posts
I should really stay out
of this, I know...but...
Tue 30 Jun 2015
at 00:58
  • msg #987

Re: The Joys of a New (Adult) Cat

So, wait... he said, "I'm not paying you, but please don't tell anybody because it will hurt my chances to cheat other people"?

That's pretty... wow.
CrazyIvan777
member, 160 posts
Tue 30 Jun 2015
at 02:30
  • msg #988

Re: The Joys of a New (Adult) Cat

Yeah well. At the time he said he -was- going to pay me. And while many backers of the 'starter have threatened either lawsuits or legal action, no one has stepped up. There's also the blood-from-a-stone problem- he's continuously broke. (I spoke to his ex wife, and she said that when they were together, he had an amazing habit of making money simply vanish when it was time to pay the bills).
I'd love to call him out, just to warn other people. I'm not sure that there's a good way to do it, though.
chupabob
member, 62 posts
Tue 30 Jun 2015
at 04:10
  • msg #989

Re: The Joys of a New (Adult) Cat

CrazyIvan777, what happened to you is not common but less rare in game publishing than you might think. Publishers chronically over-promise and underestimate the costs of the types of publishing that they want. I strongly suspect that some of the older school guys refuse to use print-on-demand services as a matter of pride; if they can't print 100,000 hard covers and win all the Origin Awards, they won't do anything at all. These guys see themselves as gamblers instead of cheaters, but how they think of themselves is irrelevant.

Your story is very similar to what happened with Guardians of the Order who decided to go out of business but whose website continued to accept orders for the next edition of BESM for a good six months afterward. It's a long involved story, but it guest stars George R.R. Martin before he became super-geek-famous.

Heck, I still haven't been paid for an article that I wrote for Palladium Books nearly ten years ago.

The normal first step is sending a letter to the publisher with the added services of requiring a signature and a return receipt sent to you. It seems from your description that you already have established he personally knows you haven't been paid, and you can document that he knows. Skipping that, you should contact the administrators of Patreon. They don't want to be business partners with people who habitually cheat. Prosecutors have finally begun going after the worst offenders on Kickstarters, so things are slowly getting in the crowdfunding world.
Eggy
member, 580 posts
Sat 18 Jul 2015
at 14:01
  • msg #990

Little Vent

I like to hire artists to draw characters I feel especially attached to. Today, I found others passing off one of these portraits as their own work. I contacted these people directly. No response. I then contacted the original artist and the copies' ISP support desks. Things seem to be working out.

Not a huge vent, but I am annoyed. I don't play that character anymore, but she was a part of a great game with wonderful friends.
praguepride
member, 1019 posts
"Hugs for the Hugs God!"
- Warhammer Fluffy-K
Sat 18 Jul 2015
at 14:11
  • msg #991

Re: Little Vent

How were they passing it off as their own? Like did you ask "Hey, where did you get that?" and they responded with "I made it."
Eggy
member, 581 posts
Sat 18 Jul 2015
at 14:23
  • msg #992

Re: Little Vent

In reply to praguepride (msg # 991):

The first one, I didn't have to ask. I was searching Google for character portrait ideas and saw the old portrait. I thought to myself, I remember that one. Good times. When I clicked on it, the description underneath was: I drew this. Sorry if you don't like it.
praguepride
member, 1021 posts
"Hugs for the Hugs God!"
- Warhammer Fluffy-K
Sat 18 Jul 2015
at 15:21
  • msg #993

Re: Little Vent

For shame! That's some shady snapple right there.
Wyrm
member, 565 posts
Sun 19 Jul 2015
at 20:39
  • msg #994

Re: Little Vent

That moment you decide you've had enough and go for a drive just to get some air moving through yoyr gills. For everyone regretfully waiting on me, sorry. Humidity killed my rental.
Eggy
member, 582 posts
Tue 21 Jul 2015
at 13:59
  • msg #995

Re: Little Vent

Vent Update: Most of those other sites wouldn't take down the copies because I didn't have the contract of the commissions anymore. So I sent all those emails between the art thief, the ISP providers and me to the artist. Things changed in a hurry. (I sent a message to the artist when I found the first copy, but I didn't hear back from her until sent the batch of emails. She was on a weekend trip.) Vent closed!
ShadoPrism
member, 810 posts
OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
Gamer-Disorder
Tue 21 Jul 2015
at 14:06
  • msg #996

Re: Little Vent

In reply to Eggy (msg # 995):

Well done Eggy
fireflights
member, 205 posts
playing with Fire
always burns
Tue 21 Jul 2015
at 15:32
  • msg #997

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

tulgurth:
In reply to fireflights (msg # 962):

In the past I have one thing that works with every occasion.  It's called the truth.  Will her panties get in a bunch, probably, but it will only be temporary.  Being nice to family can screw you in the long run.  So use the following statement, "I'm sorry sis, but I can't do this."



Yeah tried that....didn't work. But basically I told her I was moving and will get to giving her my critique once my move is done, it's buying me time but I'm still going to critique it and I'm going to be pretty harsh on her, just hope she can take it because she's the one who asked for it :P

Sorry took so long for me to respond, but I have had a lot going on :P
fireflights
member, 206 posts
playing with Fire
always burns
Tue 21 Jul 2015
at 15:36
  • msg #998

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

Brianna:
Just because you write doesn't mean you would be the best person to help her, even if you had higher hopes for the end product.  And if she can't/doesn't want to write adult scenes, she should aim for a story that doesn't include them.  If I were you, I'd be relatively (ha!) blunt about refusing to do that part; asking a family member to help edit is one thing, but she should never ask one to do part of the writing.  Sounds as though a writing group would be what she needs.



Oh believe me Brianna, I agree with everything you have said. I have tried to tell her I don't think I would be the best person for this but since she knows I write, she wants me to do it. I've bought myself a little time, but I have already told her she needs to go over her story and rewrite things until she gets them perfectly the way she wants to. Problem isn't that she can't write, it's that she can't write emotions into the characters so the story is dull and lifeless. That's mostly the worst part of it, and I'm sorry to say, as I love my sister.....but the characters are a reflection of her, she has no emotions either so she depicts them just like herself and that's where she is failing. She needs to stop and go to a creative writing class to get the tools she personally lacks.
OceanLake
member, 910 posts
Tue 21 Jul 2015
at 18:42
  • msg #999

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

I'd imagine the emotions are there. I suggest you tell her your opinions and point out that the roles of writing tutor and sister and incompatible. Further, you are a professional writer; what you do in connection with authorship should be paid.

Creative writing class seems a good idea to me, as does counseling.

Idea: Suggest she pick an emotion for each letter of the alphabet. For each one, write a description of a person who has that emotion and a scene in which that emotion is expressed. Then do a scene in which two characters, one's she's written about, interact...showing interactions of the emotions. Example: Avarice and boredom.

Then, if there's one, have her show some results to a writing class or writers' club.
kaiisaxo
member, 304 posts
Tue 21 Jul 2015
at 23:14
  • msg #1000

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

I need to vent. Today I was promptly rejected from a job. It wasn't that good of a job so I'm fine with that, no biggie, I can take rejection. What truly depressed me is the reason they did it, no chance to do an interview, no chance to show how I was the right one for the job, their computer Integrity test decided I was too likely to steal and stuff and they showed me the door. And this is the part. I don't care about the rejection, but rather about the label, dishonest, it hurt me.

You see, I keep my secrets like everybody, but I consider myself being honest and caring, being honest is part of my identity, I'm honest, loyal, caring, creative and a little of an obsessive loon, even flighty and clumsy sometimes. But being honest, being the good one, being the one who tells the cashier she gave me more change, I wouldn't be able to steal even a candy, that is part of what I am. I know they don't care about my feelings, it is their job, but I resent it.

And checking about these tests, I find out that this forgiveness, empathy and caring are what make me not trustworthy. That I'm one step away from embezzling just because I never cheated on an exam, or never gamble, or any of other red signs that means I'm lying. Or that I'm a future drug addict because I have a liberal opinion on drugs -despite the fact I don't smoke and I don't drink, well I like wine and stuff, but I never abuse them-. What is worse for me is that if I want to pass one of these honesty tests I need to be less honest in the future. This is the second time one of these tests marks me as likely to steal and it hurts so much I wanna cry.
Wyrm
member, 566 posts
Wed 22 Jul 2015
at 00:03
  • msg #1001

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

In reply to kaiisaxo (msg # 1000):

I rarely say this: I feel for you. It's a strange hiring practice, I would see abput contacting the closest thing you have to an aclu. That is a dubious way to determine ethical integrity. That test sounds as legitimate as those idiot "who are you most like" facebook quizzes.
kouk
member, 579 posts
Wed 22 Jul 2015
at 00:04
  • msg #1002

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

Yeah, misattribution based on incomplete information is a big dislike of mine too.

Us scrupulous smart people need to remind ourselves that the tests are not personality tests for our sake. Nor are they social profiles any of your coworkers or bosses will ever look at. They are profiling tests geared around Joe Average, tailored for employers too lazy to hire people on their own. Weed wacker level 1 for jobs with high applicant volume.

It's a test, so just like any other test try to give the "correct" answers and read the questions underlying the question.

If what amounts to a true answer for you might be "Methinks thou dost protest too much" in Joe Average, you should tone it a bit if you want the job.
This message was last edited by the user at 00:05, Wed 22 July 2015.
Eggy
member, 583 posts
Wed 22 Jul 2015
at 01:28
  • msg #1003

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

In reply to kaiisaxo (msg # 1000):

This is horrible! Is this common for people seeking jobs nowadays? I truly hope this question doesn't make you feel worse, but are employers allowed to save or share these results? It sounds like a nightmare.
GamerHandle
member, 762 posts
Umm.. yep.
So, there's this door...
Wed 22 Jul 2015
at 01:56
  • msg #1004

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

In reply to Eggy (msg # 1003):

Yes - this is quite common, especially for places that either lack a real HR function, or are too big where even machine sorting does not winnow down the applicants enough.
ShadoPrism
member, 811 posts
OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
Gamer-Disorder
Wed 22 Jul 2015
at 02:44
  • msg #1005

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

Sounds like those test I did in High School and Collage that stated what sort of job your best suited for.
Mine always came out Lawyer or Priest (neither of which I am qualified for as I am an Agnostic (so no priest) and I Suck at Latin (3 years of it in Catholic school and all I can recall is Water (aqua) and how to call someone an apple). I took Business and Psychology instead, did pretty well in the Psych courses, but the Business ones left me feeling like whom ever wrote the books on the topic had never worked in an Actual business before. Needless to say I did not do well in the business courses cause I answered test using real world knowledge and not the idiocy in the books. (when you Work in the Real world to put yourself through collage you learn how many things are actually done, not how the fantasy world most of those books were based on work).

hmm, 30 years later and I still feel the need to vent on the topic, interesting... (from a Psychological point of view)
This message was last edited by a moderator, as it was against the forum rules, at 02:54, Wed 22 July 2015.
OceanLake
member, 911 posts
Wed 22 Jul 2015
at 02:46
  • msg #1006

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

I took a sample test; apart from dubious validity and reliability, and coaching; I suspect they lack nuance. Such a test is a way of winnowing applicants.

Were I a business owner, I'd think about these policies: Pay good wages, let employees buy supplies at cost, and deduct from everybody's paycheck proportionally the loss from stealing (with a zero-tolerance policy (except in emergency) for stealing. As for personal net activities, have such computers in the break/lunch room.
Shei-kun
member, 823 posts
A Giant Shei draws near!
Fight-Magic-Item-Flee
Wed 22 Jul 2015
at 03:54
  • msg #1007

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

As a recent graduate with a BS in Business Administration and another in Accounting, I can say with certainty that studies (national to the USA and international) have shown those "personality tests" to see if people are going to lie/cheat/steal/etc to be completely irrelevant to whether or not someone will be a good hire at best, and counterproductive at worst, since, as has been already stated, you have to test well, not give honest answers.  I, too, am always flagged as a potential thief because clearly everyone steals from work and people who don't steal don't exist. *rolls eyes*

Everything from personality tests to handwriting analysis (yes, this is a thing companies did and some still do) to determine the trustworthiness of a person have all been proven to be a big waste of time and tend to weed out the most desirable candidates (like the ones who actually don't steal at all).  I've even seen questions on some of those things that ask things like "How much would you steal" with multiple choice answers and NONE of the options were "nothing, I don't steal."  If you're going to insist that every single person who would even want your job is a thief, then you shouldn't be in charge of hiring, or even a business, because you have serious trust issues.

So many studies have been done to show how businesses should operate depending on size, job market, etc, to maximize overall profit, efficiency, and retained talent, but they're almost all ignored because they don't give immediate profits or they "take too much work to implement."
Piestar
member, 574 posts
once upon a time...
...there was a little pie
Wed 22 Jul 2015
at 03:56
  • msg #1008

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

I didn't steal from work. Maybe you are projecting.
Mrrshann618
member, 50 posts
Wed 22 Jul 2015
at 12:02
  • msg #1009

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 2

I hate those tests. A few years ago I had a few part time jobs, and applied to get another as an overnight assembler (would have timed perfect with my UPS job). I took one of those test and had the same thing (basically) happen. I was to independently minded to be a team player - For a job that required me to work on my own.

So I applied for a different job in a nearby town. 3 years later I'm a Department Manager
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