In reply to CoyotesGrin (msg # 10):

Can you say BAG WORLD?????????????????????????????????

When you turn it inside out, everything spills out on the floor and you're left with a bag of the same size and shape as the original bag.

In reply to Nirobo (msg # 5):

A bag of holding appears to be a common cloth sack of about 2 by 4 feet (0.61 by 1.22 m) in size. It opens into a nondimensional space (similar to a magic satchel) or a pocket dimension, making the space larger inside than it is outside. Each bag always weighs the same amount, between 15 and 60 pounds (6.8 and 27.2 kg), regardless of what is put into it. It can store a combined weight of up to forty times its own weight, and a combined volume of 30 to 250 cubic feet (0.85 to 7.08 m3). A living creature put in a bag of holding will suffocate after about 10 minutes.

If a bag of holding is overloaded, or if a sharp object pierces it (from outside or inside), the bag will rupture and be ruined, the contents lost forever in "nilspace".

I know one thing, I've seen a lot of bags of holding from a lot of sources that don't always have a connection to the original source. I'm not suprised if they wouldn't necessarily count. I saw a GM once use gates cast inside Bags of Holding to connect to other bags. It was a particular scenario involving sneaking into a dragon's lair. ;D
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Making magic items is like programming a computer code. Each Wizard does it a little differently, and some follow Good Magic Practices -- the world doesn't end if the user does something weird to the bag -- while others are perhaps more sloppy :)

That's a good analogy.  Apparently some wizardly programmers are more partial to writing spaghetti code, which I guess is how the Flying Spaghetti Monster was summoned into existence. ;)

I'd say you can't turn the bag inside out.  The mouth of the bag no longer leads to the inside of the bag, but to an other-dimensional space.  You push the bottom of the bag toward the mouth... and it just stops.

This article seems to give a pretty good opinion of what to do if you're GMing and someone asks what happens.  I don't know much about string theory, though.

http://askthedm.com/2011/08/16...out-bags-of-holding/

I don't currently play in the type of games where a bag of holding would exist so I have some questions.

At the size mentioned above, how do you reach what is at the bottom of a 4 foot container?

When the bag is empty, can it be flattened and folded?
As the bag is filled does it appear to be filling as seen from the outside?
If you feel the contents of the bag from the outside, does it feel like a smaller version of what you put in or something else?
Can you see into the bag to find your items?  What does it look like in there?
Can things get damaged from bumping around inside?
Can things inside get damaged by outside forces like if the bag got struck during combat?

Sorry if these are newbie questions, but in the little D&D I played years ago I never had a bag of holding.

Climb inside and dig around a bit. This is why I prefer the Handy Haversack, whichever item you reach in for is always automagically on top.



Absolutely.



Yes, until the Bag appears to be as full as a normal sack of it's size. You can still fill more until it's maximum capacity, but it will always look like a normally-sized bag.



As I understand it, it just feels like Generic Mystery Objects, you can't tell what's in the bag without opening it and looking inside. Unless you mean reaching into the bag, in which case the objects are normal sized; the items don't get smaller, it's the Bag that's bigger on the inside.



Yes, you can. It looks like the inside of a giant sack. As has been mentioned, Bags of Holding are much bigger on the inside.



As I understand it, the sack itself is only the orifice through which the pocket dimension is accessed; you could throw a Bag of Holding around with a person inside and he wouldn't know because the interior remains stationary. There is a chance that sharp objects (unsheathed weapons, rough rubble, etc.) can pierce the inside of the Bag, and everything inside gets sucked into the Astral Plane and lost forever. (Piercing the outside of the Bag just dumps everything out on the floor.)



No, see above.



Don't worry about it. Just remember to never, ever put a Bag of Holding inside a Portable Hole (or vice-versa).

Well, putting a portable hole inside a bag of holding is fine -- it's the easiest way to get a nice relatively gentle one-way ticket to the Astral Plane.  Putting a bag of holding inside a portable hole not only destroys both, but you don't even get to go along for the ride.

In reply to Genghis the Hutt (msg # 21):

So, this means we can sneak people around in them yes? TROJAN horse ain't got nothing on that!

Yes, Trojan Horses weren't a new concept in D&D and the 3rd edition rules at least specifically talk about hiding people in a portable hole and how much air there is to breath -- as I remember it, the rules say something about a portable hole having roughly 10 minutes of air for a regular-size Medium human and double that if it's a Small-sized halfling, and that you can close the opening from the inside so that nobody can see the opening from the outside.  Combine that with a http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Bottle_of_Air and you can really have a Trojan Horse situation.  It'd be super expensive, but when the prize is a king's treasury...

Nobody ever really bothers hiding people in a bag of holding, because it's obvious that there's a bag there and any guard will likely want to look inside the bag.

Ah, but unless Troy existed in your particular campaign, what would they be called?

"Hah!  They can't fool us with the old Velfoonian Wombat Trick!"

Breathing in a portable hole,

The funny thing is, they tell you how much volume is in a portable hole, and tell you how long a volume of air can last a character. Using that info gets you a different length of time that characters can breath in a portable hole then the 10 minutes specifically stated. So the question is, why don't they match?

When you announce you want to turn a bag of holding inside out, the GM either will say, "Are you sure...?" or "Creative idea! Go for it!"

When you do it, the GM is apt to say, "roll a d20." "Roll a d100."

The description states: "If a bag of holding is overloaded, or if a sharp object pierces it (from outside or inside), the bag will rupture and be ruined, the contents lost forever in "nilspace".

So to me turning it inside out is the same as overloading or rupturing it and ruining it, since the inside is nondimensional space.

Well, just to see, I tried it.

I can now report the effects.

Well.. first... to understand this, remember that the space inside the bag of holding is an extra-dimensional space.  That means it is not in our universe.

The second clue is in the fact that if you puncture the bag, the contents are not spilled out.  They are lost.  The bag is not "around" the extradimensional space, and our space is not "around" that space.  They are entirely separate spaces, linked by the mouth of the bag.

This means, the interior of the bag is not so much a "pocket universe" as it is another universe entirely.  A small and very boring one.  If it had inhabitants, then from the point of view of inhabitants of that universe, OUR universe is the extradimensional space.

That's right.  The bag of holding is merely a portal between two universes of two different sizes.

If you invert the bag, the two universes change relative locations- but they keep their relative sizes.  The effect is instantaneous.  No one in the universe could possibly sense it or measure it.  However, from the point of view of a being on the astral plane, it would be appear that our universe along with every galaxy, star, planet and living thing inside it instantly shifts about 8 inches to one side, while the much smaller universe of the Bag of Holding is instantly displaced about 46 billion light years* away in the opposite direction.

*No, not precisely.  I rounded.

I explain it in terms of dimensional stacking that occurs around the p-n barrier threshold

fairly decent introductory article (very little math):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

Probably because the internet didn't when D&D was put together and they didn't want to pay a reference librarian to go figure it out for them?  Personally, I have no idea how long the air in a bag of holding *should* last for.  Is it more or less than 10 minutes?

On a very related note, since the portable hole/bag of holding interaction came up:


https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akam...34260304491155_n.jpg

In reply to Eur512 (msg # 31):

I've often considered the possibility of using portable holes and bags of holding as WMDs.  Fortunately for dms everywhere, most characters are much too stingy.

In reply to Eur512 (msg # 31):

How many of those would it take to forever alter climate because of changing air/water amounts or density?

In reply to Merevel (msg # 33):

I think the effect is fairly temporary and doesn't cause too much change, so it would have to be a  HUGE number of them.  Prohibitively expensive for sure.  You'd be better off opening a gate to an elemental plane of water or air, perhaps.

In reply to nuric (msg # 34):

Well that would solve the problem. Reminds me of "Stella Deuve: The Gate of Eternity" Good game.