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This has been bothering me for awhile...

Posted by Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson
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Sun 4 May 2014
at 22:28
  • msg #36

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

What would happen if you stuck your hand in the bag. And then cut the.bag?
nuric
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Sun 4 May 2014
at 22:39
  • msg #37

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

If I were the DM, I might allow a reflex save (a hard one) to avoid getting sucked into the Astral Plane.   A bit like explosive decompression in an airplane, or something.
Merevel
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Sun 4 May 2014
at 22:58
  • msg #38

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to nuric (msg # 37):

It would have to be a high dc reflex save. How far can you normaly move on one?
nuric
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Sun 4 May 2014
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  • msg #39

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to Merevel (msg # 38):

I'm not sure, but you use Reflex saves to dodge Dragon Breath and such, so I'd give someone enough space to pull back to the edge of the effect (though if it's the 10' radius, they might be out of luck).
Merevel
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Sun 4 May 2014
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Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to nuric (msg # 39):

To be fair a successful reflex save implies you notice the dragon preparing for it right? (after all to save, you must be aware something is happening). Then again without uncanny dodge, you still take 1/2 damage and are assumed to be nicked, does that mean a successfull save makes you lose a finger, versus the whole hand?
nuric
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Sun 4 May 2014
at 23:46
  • msg #41

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Dragon Breath might be a bad example.  A Reflex Save to avoid a trap, like pincers or something else that catches your hand, might be a better analogy.
That's why the save would be very high, if allowed at all.
Merevel
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Mon 5 May 2014
at 00:02
  • msg #42

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Fair enough I recon, but my example assumes you saw what was going to cut the bag. Now if you only saw it as it cut the bag, that is a different story.

Either way, it would suck to happen. One could complicate it by determining just how much of their hand is...?.. consumed? by the save roll, setting markers for the amount of hand left.

Example
so, that would be DC 25 to keep entire hand
roll 20 lose a finger.
roll 15 Lose multiple fingers.
roll 10 chunk of palm saved thats it.
botch lose the arm ouch.

I know it should not be staggered like that, just a quick list.
Genghis the Hutt
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Mon 5 May 2014
at 00:27
  • msg #43

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Merevel:
How many of those would it take to forever alter climate because of changing air/water amounts or density?
Well, let's see.  Let's go with an average of 80% humidity and 40 degrees Celsius across the entire world.  That would be 66.4 grams of water...
Gilren
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Mon 5 May 2014
at 00:57
  • msg #44

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Some people rule it as the opening is the magic effect, so by turning it inside out you get a bag that is huge on the outside and really small inside. Which is really not very helpful.
nuric
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Mon 5 May 2014
at 01:24
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Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

It might be worse than that.   I almost picture it like the Dark Elf "Nothingness Grenade" from "Thor, Dark World", where you're entirely pulled in.  A save might get you out of the area of effect, but you were all in if you were in at all.
Merevel
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Mon 5 May 2014
at 01:42
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Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to nuric (msg # 45):

Yeah thats how I interpreted it, in the 10ft void of space logic.
As for the climate change, A few well placed shots could cause some big havok. Creating avalanches, earthquakes(fault lines) messing with volcanoes ect. I doubt enough exist to directly affect ocean currents. But a few well placed ones could ruin ice shelves and in theory raise global water levels, which could alter ocean currents. Then again there are more conventional ways to do all of these.(cept fault lines, even that one is a stretch)
Genghis the Hutt
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Mon 5 May 2014
at 08:16
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Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

If you want to destroy things in a 10' area of effect, there are far, far cheaper methods than buying a new bag of holding, and a new portable hole, and destroying each for every explosion.  No matter how you combine them, you're not making a permanent gate to the astral plane, just a one-time trip that (depending on how you combine them) you may or may not get to go on (it may not affect anything around it).  I dare say, if you were a wizard who could create these devices, and you wanted to go destroy things, your time and energy would be far better spent crafting wands of fireballs (or if you only have the Craft Magic Item feat, then necklaces of fireballs).  Sure, you could remove about 65 grams of water with each "explosion" but that's barely a quarter cup of water being permanently removed from the plane/planet.  Meanwhile, you have everflowing bottles which continuously pull water from somewhere.  I think, planet-wise, there's really not much you could do to effect climate change with these devices.
Merevel
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Mon 5 May 2014
at 10:41
  • msg #48

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to Genghis the Hutt (msg # 47):

Heh, I was just thinking of what could be done taking out a 10ft diameter radius, or did I misread it? I never said it was feasible! and a 10ft sphere of water is a  lot more then 65 grams.

Permanent gate o.0 sounded like 1 time send off?
Jordan Task
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Mon 5 May 2014
at 19:26
  • msg #49

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Eur512:
"Hah!  They can't fool us with the old Velfoonian Wombat Trick!"


Ah, but you see, this is where they switch it up a bit.... while the guards are pointing and laughing at the wombat, the enemy soldiers are scaling the wall on the other side of the castle....
DarkLightHitomi
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Tue 6 May 2014
at 14:57
  • msg #50

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Genghis the Hutt:
DarkLightHitomi:
The funny thing is, they tell you how much volume is in a portable hole, and tell you how long a volume of air can last a character. ... why don't they match?
Probably because the internet didn't when D&D was put together and they didn't want to pay a reference librarian to go figure it out for them?  Personally, I have no idea how long the air in a bag of holding *should* last for.  Is it more or less than 10 minutes?


You misunderstand. They wrote rules for how long air lasts (can be found under suffocation in envirnmental rules). They would only need to research the they are writing.

The rules say that a medium creature can breath for 6 hours in a 10' cube of air. That boils down to about 1 minute per 3 cubic feet.

A portable hole opens a cylinder 6' wide and 10' deep. That comes out to about 283 cubic feet.

Put the two together and a portable hole has enough air to last a medium creature about 101 minutes, minus the volume of the creature.

A human is about 9 cubic feet, so that reduces the air by about 3 minutes.

So a medium creature in a portable hole should have about 98 minutes of air, by their own suffocation rules, yet they override that and give a portable hole only 10 minutes.
Eur512
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Tue 6 May 2014
at 18:06
  • msg #51

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to DarkLightHitomi (msg # 50):

Every time the bag is opened it fills with air, however, when closed the bag is porous and "leaks" air out into the astral plane?
Heath
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Tue 6 May 2014
at 18:19
  • msg #52

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Is that the equivalent of an Astral Plane whoopie cushion?  :)
DarkLightHitomi
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Tue 6 May 2014
at 18:22
  • msg #53

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to Eur512 (msg # 51):

If it does that, then one might want to know before trying to catch poisonous gases in there to make a trap.
Merevel
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Tue 6 May 2014
at 18:46
  • msg #54

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to DarkLightHitomi (msg # 53):

Keep a tiger in their and shove random people into it. No one will ever know what happened.
Eur512
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Tue 6 May 2014
at 20:38
  • msg #55

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Heath:
Is that the equivalent of an Astral Plane whoopie cushion?  :)



I see where this is headed.  The next topic is obviously "accidentally sitting on a full bag of holding".

Which of course leads to:  what are contents?

I know there is something involving Halflings, a bag of holding, a lots of instant pudding mix, but I'm not sure I want to know the details.
Heath
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Tue 6 May 2014
at 23:34
  • msg #56

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Eur512:
I know there is something involving Halflings, a bag of holding, a lots of instant pudding mix, but I'm not sure I want to know the details.

Yes, but I think it was Black Pudding, a quintessential D&D ooze monster.
Merevel
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Tue 6 May 2014
at 23:46
  • msg #57

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to Heath (msg # 56):

The real secret origin of life eh?
Heath
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Wed 7 May 2014
at 00:18
  • msg #58

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

I'm sure it resulted in something like the Fruitcake Elemental.  An attorney at Wizards gave me that Magic card for Christmas many years back...
Eur512
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Wed 7 May 2014
at 01:28
  • msg #59

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

Merevel:
The real secret origin of life eh?



Yes! Instant Black Pudding Mix!

I am using this!
Merevel
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Wed 7 May 2014
at 01:31
  • msg #60

Re: This has been bothering me for awhile...

In reply to Eur512 (msg # 59):

Go for it! rmail me the players reactions lol!
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