So, as any serious pathfinder player knows there are 1056 combat grid squares in one mile of terrain. Assuming, for the sake of argument, a flat hard surface free of debris over the course of this mile, is there any way to combine feats, traits, class abilities, and magic items from official sources such that a level 5 character can cross this mile of ground in a single minute of combat rounds without special movement modes such as flight or teliportation?

If not what is the lowest level at which this act becomes possible?

Can you rent a dragon?

Not sure about PF, but in 3.5 there was a Feat that allowed a 5' adjust after killing a Foe.  Assuming you had that Feat, Great Cleave, a mile long line of Kobolds and a very open minded DM you could do it in one round.

Why do I suddenly have this image of the anime samurai who flashes along a line of guys who just stand there, and then suddenly all of them fall into pieces at once?

there is a Ninja trick that allows a burst of speed.

Athletics to jump, you move most your speed then do a horizantal jump and tumble to cover an increased distance.

Monks increased speed is a great way to get speed boosts, and there are a lot of official magical items to bursts this speed.

The barbarian has another class ability to burst movement.

Do not forget about spells though that increase abilities.  With the run feat and then tack on bear's endurance you can run a ways.

If a custom race there is 1 race point race trait that allows for a boosted speed.

As there is a lot to go through this is all I can recall off the top of my head.
This message was last edited by the user at 00:58, Sat 22 Mar 2014.

Quick math-craft, you need a speed of 110 (105.6 rounded up to the nearest 5ft incriment) and the run feat (x5 move) to make the distance in 10 rounds (1 min).

A Catfolk (30 ft, +10 when using run [40ft]) Monk of at least 18th level (+60ft [enchantment]) would need the Speed of Thought feat (+10ft [insight] when psionically focused; also Wild Talent as a prerequisite) to hit that mark.  I'm sure there are other ways, but this is off the top of my head with two quick reference look ups.

Actually, you'd need a speed of 528 feet (106 squares) per round.  As a mile is 5280 feet.  Run feat grants you x5?  Let's see...base speed 30.  Travel domain +10.  Fast Movement (barbarian or monk) +10.  Expedious Retreat spell +30.    Longstrider spell +10.  That's 90.  Not sure how a 5th level character could get much higher.
This message was last edited by the user at 01:05, Sat 22 Mar 2014.

In reply to Hunter (msg # 7):

The Dash Feat at 1st, 3rd and 5th adds +15'

1,056 squares in a mile
a standard medium sized creature has a run speed of 120 squares per round

120 squares per round times 9 rounds = 1,080 squares

a level 1 character can cover the distance in less than a minute by simply running

In reply to st_nougat (msg # 9):

120' NOT 120 squares...

A level 5 Xeph Druid can Wildshape into a fast form (Velociraptor and deinonychous both give a speed of 60'). The Speed of Thought feat, his natural Xeph Burst ability, and a casting of Longstrider bump that up to 90' (20 squares) for a little while. Not enough by itself, but using a potion of Expeditious Retreat instead of casting Longstrider (they don't stack) brings your speed up to 110', which, with the Run feat, lets you hit your target. You'll be able to run 5500' in one minute.

It's probably worth noting that Xeph Burst only lasts for 9 rounds per day (3 3-round uses, but activating it is only a swift action), but on the 10th round you can burn your psionic focus to empower Speed of Thought for a round, which will cover the difference. However, this still makes it a once-a-day deal.

Edit: Math'd wrong. Still works, though.
This message was last edited by the user at 01:45, Tue 25 Mar 2014.

Barbarian 1/Cleric 2 Centaur (+2 ECL per 3.5 Savage Species, so assuming similar for PF) = 5th level

50' base move (Race)
+10' non-specific bonus for Fast Movement (Barbarian 1)
+10' non-specific bonus for Travel Domain (Cleric 1)
+30' enhancement bonus for Expeditious Retreat (Exploration Subdomain Cleric 1 Domain spell from APC; lasts 1 minute per level)

+Run Feat (CHR 1) = 5 x move per round
+Fleet Feat (CHR 3) = +5' move per round (non-specific bonus)

50+10+10+30+5= 105' x 5 = 525' feet per round or 105 squares, so covers 1056 squares in 10.06 rounds

So only 5250' in ten rounds and falls 30' short of the mile, if we're being picky. ;>

Rage Power Swift Foot gives +5' but that's another enhancement bonus, so won't stack.

Also considered Horseshoes of Speed (3000GP) for a 30' enhancement bonus which would last longer than the Expeditious Retreat, but techically description has animal, whereas Centaur is Montrous Humanoid.

What a fun challenge.

So let's see what we can do.

First off, our PC is a Mythic Hero of the Trickster path. That allows her access to the Fleet Charge ability, which allows her to move her movement as a Swift action (ie once per round, 13 times per day, assuming Mythic Tier 5), and also access to the Mythic Run Feat, which allows her to run 7x her speed AND access to Mythic Expeditious Retreat, which adds 40 to her movement.

So we're off to a good start.

Longstrider doesn't stack with Expeditious Retreat or a Monk's Movement Bonus. Nor with Boots of Striding and Springing. So we're leaving those out.

So here's the build:

Human CENTAUR (good find Skald), Brb1/Ardent1/Cleric1/Centaur2, Mythic Hero (Trickster, Mythic Tier 5)
Giver her the 'Quick' Trait from Unearthed Arcana, and she gets +10 speed and -1 Hp per level.

TRAIT
(I can't find it, but there's a Pathfinder trait that gives a +5 trait bonus to speed - if anyone can find the reference, please let me know)

FEATS
1st: Fleet of Foot (Player's Guide to Faerun Regional Feat, +10 untyped Land Speed)
3rd: Sprinter (+10 movement for a number of rounds per day equal to her Con modifier, more on that in a moment)
5th: Divine Vigor (+10 untyped land speed for Cha mod minutes)
Mythic Tier 1 Bonus Feat: Mythic Run
Mythic Tier 3 Bonus Feat: Speed of Thought
Mythic Tier 5 Bonus Feat: Dash (+5 feet, stacks with itself)

Mythic Power1: Mythic Magic (for access to Mythic Expeditious Retreat)
Mythic Power2: Mythic Feat (Dash)
Mythic Power3: Mythic Feat (Dash)
Mythic Power4: Mythic Feat (Dash)
Mythic Power5: Ability Enhancement (Con +2)

Mythic Power: Fleet Charge, 13 times per day (plus others that don't matter here)

Domains: Travel (+10 untyped bonus to land speed), Celerity (+10 untyped bonus to land speed)
1st Level Domain Spell: (Mythic) Expeditious Retreat, +40 enhancement bonus to land speed)

Ardent Mantle: Freedom (+10 untyped bonus to land speed)

Psionic Power: Skate (gives a +15 bonus to land speed, it's an enhancement bonus, but it doesn't stack BUT if you're going downhill it gives another +15 feet CIRCUMSTANCE bonus, so that does stack)

So the last thing we need is a +10 Con mod (to get maximum use out of the Sprinter. So let's assume an 18 to start, +4 for Centaur, +2 for Mythic Tier 2 and another +2 for Mythic Tier 4, +2 two more for the Enhanced Ability Mythic Power. Plus say +2 from an item. That's 30. So we're good.

So this is what it all looks like:

Centaur Base         50
Quick               +10
Fleet of Foot       +10
Sprinter            +10
Divine Vigour       +10
Speed of Thought    +10
Celerity Domain     +10
Travel Domain       +10
Freedom Mantle      +10
Trait Bonus          +5
Dash x4             +20
Skate               +15
Mythic Exp. Retreat +40
-----------------------
Grand total         210

Take all that, multiply it by 7 for Mythic Run and you get 1470 feet per round.

PLUS you add another 210 per Round for Fleet Charge (also, as part of the same power, she can make one attack on an opponent each round, just for lulz), and you get:

1680 feet, every round.

Times ten rounds is 16800 feet.

So three and change miles in a minute. Or just over 190 miles per hour.

EDIT: If you don't care much about Wealth by Level, you could add a Belt of Battle (Magic Item Compendium, 12000gp), which would give one extra Full Round Action per day, with which you could add another 1470 feet.
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In reply to The_Blob (msg # 10):

yup, you're right

that's what I get for trying to do math before I've had enough coffee.

I thought that seemed a lot fast

Don't worry. I saw the exact same thing. You're not crazy..... or maybe we both are.

In reply to Jordan Task (msg # 15):

If you get a long enough line of Kobolds you could break the sound barrier or even hit Warp Speed.  Ill conceived 3.5 rules FTW!

In reply to Shiv (msg # 16):

that would be hard to do:



and great cleave works the same way except you can use it more than once in the round.

so no going a mile in a round thanks to a mile long line of kobolds

Frenzied Berserkers and Knight Protectors in Complete Warrior get a Supreme Cleave ability that lets them take a 5' step in between cleave attempts.  Supreme Cleave was a feat in 3.0, but it looks like it stopped being a feat in 3.5, possibly.

Races:
Xeph Burst ability +10' (1st) +20' (5th) +30' (9th) lasts 3 rounds, 3/day Competence
Thrikreen +30 Racial to Jump

Class Dips:
Horse Totem Barabarian 2 +10' and Run feat
Fist of the Forest 1 +10'
Duskblade 1 (2-3/day Swift Expeditious Retreat +30')
Cleric +10' (Celerity domain -- See below)
Bloodclaw Master 2 Tiger Claw Synergy +10' while in Tiger Claw stance

Traits/Feats:
Quick Trait: +10', -1HP/level
Planar Touchstone: Catalogs of Enlightenment (Celerity) +10 feet
Speed of Thought +10' Insight (Req's PP reserve (for Psionic Focus) and Wis 13)
Mental Leap +30 to Jump Check (Expend Psionic Focus)
Leap of the Heavens No increased DC for not running, +5 competence on Jump if you do.

Manuevers/Stances/Skill Tricks
Sudden Leap Swift action automatically Jump check, move the result of your check.
Leaping Dragon Stance +10 to Jump Checks, considered running
Extreme Leap Horizontal Jump of 10' or more allows you to move 10' as a swift action

Also see: http://rpg.stackexchange.com/q...and-higher-in-dd-3-5

There is a Feat or Feature that bypasses that.  It may be called Supreme Cleave, but it's been years.

Ah - found that infinite speed combo.  Turns out it would have been easy to recall if I'd just looked up Pun-Pun from the start to see how he boosted his speed up.  "The Incarnum Speed supernatural ability of Duskling Barbarian substituion level in Magic of Incarnum (page 44). It gives you a +10' enhancement bonus to speed for each point of essentia invested in the ability. And since Pun-Pun has NI essentia and NI essentia capacity, he can boost his speed limitlessly. And thanks to his Free Move salient divine ability, Pun-Pun can move up to his NI speed as a free action once each round."

Pun-Pun is a thought experiment to take a fairly pathetic creature (kobold) and turn him into the supreme deity of D&D with infinite attack, saves, and skill checks and NI ability scores (or nigh-infinite, or as high as you want to go -- they aren't technically infinite in size but you can boost them to any number such as a googolplex).  He has every ability in the game, etc.  Of course nobody would ever try to play him in a game.

In reply to Genghis the Hutt (msg # 20):

Slightly off-topic, but just as an FYI they found a way some time ago to give him literally infinite stats instead of just NI. Using a loop with temporarily death-immunized minions and several castings of Shield Other, Pun-Pun could cause infinite damage to himself in one round (which, naturally, isn't enough to kill Pun-Pun). There's a feat that gives you +2 Str for every 50 damage you take, thus boosting his strength score to infinity. From there, Manipulate Form spreads it around to his other scores and Alter Reality makes it permanent.

In reply to Zaxter (msg # 21):

Completely off-topic, but I find the way that the Pun-Pun build is developed and refined over time just as hilarious as Pun-Pun himself.

now why couldn't they have used Meepo for that?

(win a 'no prize' if you know who Meepo is)

(win a BONUS 'no prize' if you know what a 'no prize' is)

In reply to The_Blob (msg # 23):

I never won a no prize, despite my many attempts.

Supreme Cleave won't work like you're thinking - characters are limited to one 5' adjustment per round, regardless of the source.

truemane ... great effort !  190mph is truly terrifying !  :>

Slight adjustment to my previous attempt, as I've since discovered that the Centaur gets Run as a bonus Feat, allowing me to take another Fleet Feat (multiple instances are allowed and stack) and make the distance !  Yay !

Barbarian 1/Cleric 2 Centaur (+2 ECL per 3.5 Savage Species, so assuming similar for PF) = 5th level

50' base move (Race)
+10' non-specific bonus for Fast Movement (Barbarian 1)
+10' non-specific bonus for Travel Domain (Cleric 1)
+30' enhancement bonus for Expeditious Retreat (Exploration Subdomain Cleric 1 Domain spell from APC; lasts 1 minute per level)

+Fleet Feat (CHR 1) = +5' move per round (non-specific bonus)
+Fleet Feat (CHR 3) = +5' move per round (non-specific bonus)
+Run Feat (Bonus) = 5 x move per round

50+10+10+30+5+5= 110' x 5 = 550' feet per round or 110 squares, so covers 1056 squares in 9.6 rounds, or 1100 squares/ in 1 minute, or just over 62mph.

In reply to Skald (msg # 26):

isn't a 'base' (no class levels) centaur a 5th or 6th lvl racial character?

4HD+2ECL=6

it's been a while...

Paizo sources only (Not PFS legal, as catfolk aren't allowed in PFS):

Race:
Catfolk (ARG, 30' base speed)
Sprinter (ARG, default catfolk racial trait, +10' racial bonus on run/charge/withdraw)

Classes:
Barbarian 1 (CRB, Fast Movement, +10' untyped)
Oracle of Flame 1 (APG, Cinder Dance, +10' untyped) [Any curse except Lame]
Cleric 1 (CRB+APG, Exploration Subdomain, +10' untyped)

Feats:
Catfolk Exemplar (ARG, Fast Sprinter, increase Sprinter to +20' racial bonus)
Run (CRB, 5x Run speed)

Spells:
Expeditious Retreat (CRB, +30' enhancement, 1st level cleric spell from exploration subdomain)

Total:
30 + 20 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 30 = 110' x 5 = 550' run speed at 3rd level
5th level can add Fleet feat for 5' more base to total 575' run speed

The only other requirement is Wis 11 to be able to cast the spell.

In reply to The_Blob (msg # 27):

I think you've found the fatal flaw in my cunning plan.  I just read the level adjust and ignored the Hit Dice, so ECL would be 6 (exactly as it says in Savage Species).  D'oh !  Back to the drawing board.  :<

H'mmm - on a different tack, do abilities/Feats stack with Polymorph effects ?

Could drink a potion of Beast Shape I (750GP for 3rd level Wizard spell) to take on the form of a Cheetah which has 50' move and the Sprint ability (1/hr Charge 10 x normal speed = 500')

So Human BBN1/CLR2

50' in Cheetah form
+10' non-specific bonus for Fast Movement (Barbarian 1)
+10' non-specific bonus for Travel Domain (Cleric 1)
+30' enhancement bonus for Expeditious Retreat (Exploration Subdomain Cleric 1 Domain spell from APC; lasts 1 minute per level)

+Fleet Feat (CHR 1) = +5' move per round (non-specific bonus)
+Fleet Feat (CHR 3) = +5' move per round (non-specific bonus)
+Run Feat (Race) = 5 x move per round

Cast spell, drink potion and wooosh !

50+10+10+30+5+5= 110' x 5 = 550' per round or 5500' in one minute, plus an extra 450' in the sprint round (I won't x10 any of the adjustments, though an argument could be made) = 5950' or 119 squares which is an average speed of 67.6 mph - and if sprint in last round, then can attack too !  :>

Now that's a 3rd level character, but hinges very much on whether all those adjustments are allowed on the changed form.

In reply to Skald (msg # 29):

Unfortunately you wouldn't get the cheetah's Sprint ability, since it's not one of the abilities Beast Shape I says you can get. Cheetah was my first thought when I saw the challenge as well. I still managed to make it work with some shapeshifting, though.

Ah well - still make's the mile, even without the extra 450', if the other adjustments are valid.  Good news is 3rd level ... bad news is that mad dash is a one-off, as once the potion is drunk it's gone, unlike Zaxter's earlier shape shifting effort.

Actually ... wonder what the LA is on a quickling PC:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...stings/fey/quickling

Let's go to 4th level and add some wands:

Race:
Catfolk (ARG, 30' base speed)
Sprinter (ARG, default catfolk racial trait, +10' racial bonus on run/charge/withdraw)

Classes:
Barbarian 1 (CRB, Fast Movement, +10' untyped)
Oracle of Flame 1 (APG, Cinder Dance, +10' untyped) [Any curse except Lame]
Cleric 1 (CRB+APG, Exploration Subdomain, +10' untyped)
Druid 1 (CRB)

Feats:
Catfolk Exemplar (ARG, Fast Sprinter, increase Sprinter to +20' racial bonus)
Run (CRB, 5x Run speed)

Wands:
Aspect of the Stag (APG, 1 charge, CL 7, Druid 4, cost 420gp) +20' untyped, 1min/lvl
Expeditious Retreat (CRB, 1 charge, CL 2, Wizard 1, cost 30gp) +30' enhancement, 1min/lvl
Ward of the Season (ARG, 1 charge, CL 12, Druid 3, cost 540gp) +30' untyped, 1rnd/lvl
Kiss of the First World (ISM, 1 charge, CL 11, Druid 4, cost 760gp) +20' untyped, 1rnd/lvl

Use AotS then ER then WotS then KotFW then run like the wind:

Total:
30 + 20 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 20 + 30 + 30 + 20 = 180' x 5 = 900' run speed at 4th level
9000' in 10 rounds (102.3 mph)

Total cost for 10 rounds of speed: 1,750 gp, well below a 4th level character's expected wealth. (And you have no stat requirements, as wands don't need you to be able to actually cast the spell, just have them on your list.)

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In reply to Zaxter (msg # 21):

I love the idea of an insanely grotesque stab (since it deals so much damage) being used in a roundabout way to give a Kobold infinite Charisma, gaining the ability to convince anyone of anything.  He has the power to call a summit of every king in the realm and convince them all to follow his orders, and then convince everyone else in the realm that it is a good idea, even when he starts making crazy demands.

In reply to nadrewod999 (msg # 34):

bet he has a tiny moustache

Isn't there a feat/class ability that allows you to do extra melee damage based on how much (un?)used movement the character has for the round?

There was something about getting a bonus to damage depending on how much you'd moved during the round.  I remember some speculative kidding that this was perhaps why Yoda ran away from Dooku, raced around the room, then ran back and attacked again in that Star Wars movie.